FlatironsBuff
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I heard secondhand that what Mel built was probably going to lead to violations at a school that doesn’t turn a blind eye to what makes schools like top SEC and BIG schools recruit so well. But don’t know more.
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Hagan and our RB play have not been the problem. Within those stats is the fact that most of those years we had the worst OL in our conference.
Nothing special, but not the problem. I wish Hagan's job performance was what I could consider to be the problem with the program.
My issue is that as a program we are content with Hagan level performance.
Yes the OL has been terrible (I have been as loud about that as anyone here and had people try to tell me that is wasn't that bad.) We have also had poor QB play and predictable play calling which made it easier for defenses to key on stopping the running game.
Fact is though that Hagan hasn't been a solution as a recruiter and hasn't been better than mediocre as a position coach. What in that keeps a guy in a job for 16 years in college football through a series of coaches.
If we are content with Hagan that means we are content with not making real efforts to get better, with not looking for outstanding.
Hagan should be a part of the program. Find a place where he can be a part of the program without holding the program back.
GuySmiley
Don't Drink the Kool-Aid
Or you can look at it this way, if CU played 11 games; it is safe to assume Broussard goes well over 1000; that is 5 1000 yard rushers in 6 years, which is not bad. It is not like CU has produced a ton of talent on the Oline either. You may have a point that CU was a 1 trick pony 2016-17, but that guy made the Pro-Bowl last year. McMillan was the best QB on the roster in 2018. Now somehow, CU is sitting on Fontenot, Broussard, Clayton, Mangram; which looks be as a deep a stable of backs since the GB years.
McMillion was barely a 1000 yard back and had a hard time even getting a pro look. His YPC was low for a leading RB. What did we have besides Lindsay in those years because I give Hagan zero credit for Phil. He was CU all along, was recruited by JE and EB, and was much more a product of his own drive than Hagan's coaching.
He and his players may not be the problem with this program, but they also haven’t really been part of the solution, outside of Lindsay and Broussard for one season each.
On top of that, he doesn’t really recruit other positions and that’s pretty unacceptable for a RB coach.
I’m not minimizing, as I think he has done a good job with less heralded players. I just don’t think he’s held to the recruiting standard a RB coach needs to be.
Didn’t he coach Stewart? I feel like his RB #1 production has been quite solid under his tenure
He could leave tomorrow and recruiting issues would still be there. I guess I just am thinking there are bigger issues to address.
I agree but I also think he is very symbolic of those bigger issues.
Oh for sure, he’s not the only or the biggest problem with recruiting, but I think he’s on the list
He makes comparatively nothing (lowest paid or second lowest paid assistant for years), so you also get what you pay for.
GuySmiley
Don't Drink the Kool-Aid
He coached and recruited Speedy.
I suppose Hagan could be larger recruiter, but looking through his commits, he has been in on some of the biggest signings and unfortunately some of the biggest busts too (Darrell Scott, PT Gates). He was also in on LaViska and Josh Smith (he made a couple of the DH disaster seasons somewhat watchable). Also, I think there has to be a coach that stays home and gives "secondary assists" to all the assistant coaches without Buff ties. Someone has to explain the history. He may serve that role, rather than being out the road recruiting.
Duff is totally correct about the salary. I'm sorry that Hagan does not light the recruiting world or coaching world (he has not advanced to OC), but I think his longevity is an overall positive as well. He has proved that he can work from multiple HC's and OC's. I agree this is not a tree that we should be barking at, as there are other fish to fry.
Darian Hagan All Time Recruits
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Fun fact of the day, Taveras Tillman was listed as one of the recruiters on Christian Gonzales... appears that even he hit on one!
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I guess that’s part of the bigger problem
It can be. Or it allows more money to be allocated elsewhere.
We do have a significant number of overpaid assistants compared to their recruiting production.
We need to pay more for sure, but I also think a KD can find some value in younger assistants as well.
Sure, but it’s not like CU is the only program in that position so you will still have to pay more in order to get those you want.
So without heading down the path of MT violations, how do we recruit better? Utah has a top25 class and ASU is close I'm sure. Are both of those coaches blurring the lines like MT? I doubt it yet they are out recruiting us. So I guess I'm confused how we only compete with them by using shady MT tactics, or we get classes like the current one when recruiting clean. Are those our only options at CU?
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Not sure about ASU but Utah and Whittingham have a track record that we simply don’t have. They also have deep connections in the LDS and poly communities. If CU had a HC with 11 bowl wins at this program, I suspect recruiting without crossing the line would be a little easier.
If you find the right young assistants they might not have the experience and knowledge of an older guy but if they want to advance in the business they know that the ticket to bigger jobs is recruiting.
Some of those guys almost live in airports and hotel rooms outside of the dead periods. They just outwork the competition for recruits.
I think its going to take a bit of time to see an uptick in recruiting. 3 coaches in 3 years, only our 2nd winning season in 15 or so. We need to show some stability. I think KD will show that stability, win some games and the players will come. Midnight Mel was a good hire and talked a good game. He got that uptick quickly. However, he showed what he was made of. KD needs to sell stability, and early playing time for freshman.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
I don’t completely disagree, but that’s basically what we tried with MacIntyre and it did not work.
True, but MM was a dufus, and everyone saw that. I think KD is better than MM.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
I hope so. We’ll see.
Joe Theismann's Leg
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HCMM took over when the program was an absolute dumpster fire and he pulled them out of the basement. Apart from one season he was pretty mediocre, but people are acting like he was hot garbage or something. Seems like he was the right man for the job at the right time.
Herm also has ASU modeling their recruiting after an NFL personnel department with tons of resources being thrown at it. Who knows if they are crossing lines, but you know they’re spending money.
That’s the part I don’t get about the alleged CU situation. Tucker’s recruiting operation started crossing the line, so instead of dialing that behavior back but maintaining a similar level of emphasis and resources, RG seemed to dismantle it all.
That’s the part I don’t get about the alleged CU situation. Tucker’s recruiting operation started crossing the line, so instead of dialing that behavior back but maintaining a similar level of emphasis and resources, RG seemed to dismantle it all.
I agree with this but it doesn't mean HCMM wasn't a goober. KD has an air of calm and confidence about him on and off the sideline that should sell well in the living room.