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2021 Offseason Thread
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Missouri's Drinkwitz is crushing recruiting. Five commits in the top 250 so far.
Yeah, potential program on the rise for sure. Florida and Georgia are powerhouses, but third in the East (and maybe occasionally better) is there for the taking.
But, but,
They don't put as many players into the pro's as Alabama and Georgia, they don't have a huge in state talent base, they don't have the money to pay their assistants as much as Texas and Clemson, they haven't been going to big bowl games in recent years, they are too far from home for kids, etc. etc. etc.
Missouri is a perfect example of why what we are hearing about our class is excuse making.
No, this isn't to say that we should have a class equal to what Mizzou has this year but it does illustrate that what we have been doing on the recruiting front is inadequate and that we can and should expect better than we are getting.
Mountain, your geography is off:
Missouri is in the SEC. Missouri is one of the top academic schools in the SEC, 2nd perhaps to Vanderbilt.
Missouri has a rich talent base within a half day's drive, very rich.
It's halfway between St. Louis and Kansas City. It's within about 6 hours of Chicago, Indy, Louisville, Memphis, Nashville, Cincinatti, Oklahoma City, Little Rock, Tulsa. It can easily draw kids within a game-day drive for the family from Arkansas to Ohio. Atlanta is 10 hours, which is further than most of MS, LA, AL are from Columbia.
Draw a 10 hour circle around CU and tell me how much D1 talent there is? Maybe 5%. (that being charitable I think by a lot)
That aside:
Drinkwitz is exactly the type of coach I was hoping to zero in on last time. But most on this board are not in favor of hiring a HC with one year of experience from a G5 school. It's been documented a bunch. Drinkwitz would appear to have a well oiled recruiting machine and we have Bob Lopez.
In fact, his resume looks too much like HCMM's for RG.
Nobody is praising KD's recruiting. He's got to make adjustments and he needs RG to DRIVE THIS as change.
But your act has grown TIRED!
Not a bad post, only quibble is on academic rankings. Vandy, Florida, Georgia, and A&M are a clear cut above academics wise in the SEC.
Well, I guess that's always up for debate given what these rankings mean (i.e they are highly controversial). But I'll admit, I'm from the engineering side and Mizzou is one of the best engineering schools out there and in my mind, above those others. A&M is just a weird school, so I sort of forget about it.
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I get it, but Florida is legitimately one of the best public schools nationally. There is probably some debate to be had on others depending on area, but there is a very clear top two.
I will take your word for it, having never lived east of Boulder since age 12! UF probably suffers from the party-school reputation, much like CU.
We have 3 bowl games in the last two decades, have finished at the bottom of the PAC 12 South more often than any other school since joining, are getting beat badly on the recruiting trail, and my act is getting tired.
Oh, what a magnificent job is being done in Boulder, it is amazing that they can get any players to go there, let's praise the wonderful job they are doing.
Excuses, excuses excuses. That is all we keep hearing.
We are a one day drive from most of Texas, the richest recruiting ground in the nation. We are a fairly cheap flight from Southern California.
You are listing academics as a reason that Missouri is doing better at recruiting than CU? And "Oh, they are in the SEC," yes they get kicked regularly by the SEC powers on the field.
What is getting tired is pretending like CU can keep doing what it is doing and be a relatively successful P5 football program. News for you, getting mentioned in kids top groups of finalist doesn't win us any games. It only matters if we are the final pick and if you haven't noticed lot's of kids who our staff has targeted are going other places.
We know you are a fan, we are all fans here or we wouldn't be here. It's time though to stop thinking like fans and thinking that everything is magically going to be all right. Unless something changes it isn't going to be alright.
"He needs to make adjustments" No duh! And exactly what have you seen from him here or at UCLA that indicates that he will make "adjustments?"
RG does need to be involved. He needs to make it very clear that recruiting needs to be fixed or it will be someone else making the changes.
As I've said many times I hope that KD gets it fixed. He is a good man, the kind you want associated with your university and your athletes and he has a history as a good coach. He also though needs to get the job done and it isn't happening.
Whaaa?
KD improved the winning percentage over the last 4 coaches. Yes, his second year recruiting has not gotten the bump everyone hoped for... However, he has improved the results on the field, that has happened and did so with an injured career backup QB. One additional improved season (and a new recruiting coordinator) and CU is substantially easier to sell for recruits. If coach Mac was shown the lack of patience you are suggesting, the Buffs never land the late 80's thru mid 90's talent and don't posses a National Championship.
Stop. Mac took over a program in much worse shape.
And Mac eventually recruited well (arguably the best in the nation in the era) because recruiting was an obsession for him.
If you were on Mac's staff and wanted to keep your job you recruited and you recruited hard. Every one of his assistants recruited. Of course some were more successful than others but he didn't permit them to coast.
Did he get every kid he wanted? Certainly not but when they didn't get their first choice they worked to get a plan B that would be a plan A for most other schools.
If were seeing that kind of obsession from KD's staff I would be much more positive about their expected future results.
KD had an excellent season last year but for the most part it wasn't with his talent. You can talk coaching all you want but in college football one thing has proven true over and over again. That is very simply that coaching is important but good talent beats good coaching more often than not.
The point was patience, not the state of a program. KD still has an opportunity to take the program to the next level. He only has one full recruiting class under his belt and a COVID season. Recruiting is obviously the issue, but to say he has not got the job done is a stretch. He led the team to the second bowl game in what, a decade plus?
Now, if the team does not perform well this season and recruiting remains substandard, all bets are off. IMO, he deserves at least one more season (2021) and recruiting cycle to prove he is capable.
Patience and state of the program are linked.
In your dictionary perhaps
In real life, crazy as my dictionary may be. KD was hired, then his staff was hired, and a widespread concern was recruiting. Since he and his staff have done nothing to alleviate those concerns, those concerns are still present, shocking as it may be.
Trufflesauce
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Found this relevant chart recently. We're at the far left. Same cluster here but left of Mizzou.
Define local! I define it as Mom and Grandma can come watch Jr play by sharing a car ride with other parents. Think economically challenged. That's more often true than not unfortunately.
That rules out (for CU) all but West Texas and the panhandle, which are not exactly fertile. (In terms of Texas, contrary to Mtn's post)
Combine that with the horrid 20 year track record of CU, lack of bowl games, etc and this is a tough place right now. Thanks Mtn for making my case in your argument. I didn't get past that, as usual.
But KD and Rick need to fix it. We can and must do better. With players being paid, we need some Boulder Tech and Health Food companies to step up, but they won't.
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lvbuff
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Mizzou is an AAU Research I institution. The metrics are not that much different between the schools Duffman mentioned other than Research $$$$. One is like the others.
NautiBuff1
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I'm fairly sure it's Aug. 5th
The argument about patience above is funny. It is easy to be patient when you have a new/newish HC trying to figure out how to navigate the rebuilding of a program. With respect to KD, we pretty much knew exactly what we were getting here when we hired him. Impatience grows rapidly when those perceptions are proven correct.
You should start posting on 247. I think you’d do well there