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2024-25 Coaching Carousel

I bet Mack Brown said, "I have a contract and I'm going to work through the end of it instead of retiring and letting you off the hook for millions of dollars." UNC was backed into choosing between accepting lame duck years with the resulting harm to the program at a time the ACC & their future is in flux or firing him and eating it so they could move forward.
 
Wow, Brown just FAFO

Barry Odom - UNLV
Kliff Kingsbury - NFL Commanders OC
Jon Sumrall - Tulane Coach
Andy Kotelnicki - Penn State OC
Matt Campbell - Iowa State HC
 
4BienemyTDs said:
Wow, Brown just FAFO

Barry Odom - UNLV
Kliff Kingsbury - NFL Commanders OC
Jon Sumrall - Tulane Coach
Andy Kotelnicki - Penn State OC
Matt Campbell - Iowa State HC
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I would think Brown DGAF. Getting fired doesn't change his legacy at all.

Three 10-win seasons in his first stint at UNC after building them from a program that could barely win a game against an FBS level opponent. Bowl game every season (6/6) in his latest stint.

Anyway, it's probably a good year to be a P4 looking to hire a coach. So few openings that UNC gets its pick of the litter.
 
ahoelsken said:
I'd debate you a little bit on your last sentence. I think coaches don't mind players being paid. Gundy talked about a kid they got from a D2 in like Pennsylvania-effectively said they took a chance on him because their NIL allowed them to.

I think the problem is this is the free for all that this sport is. You've gotta have some regulation, and a governing body that has the balls to enforce this stuff. The Matt Sluka thing earlier this year was odd. Agents can't be operating in states where they aren't registered, and frankly the whole point of NIL is to open the door for athletes to make enough money to easily make ends meet in college. That's your norm in my view-not Travis and Shedeur (both of whom are making millions while playing here). I'm not sure what the ideal solution is here, but I've got one for the portal.

To me, here's the solution for the portal. I'd allow every athlete to enter the portal one time in college with no consequences. With that said, we can't have cases like JT Daniels (who played for USC, Georgia, West Virginia, and Rice) and Jaden Rashada (who has been on rosters at Florida, Arizona State, and now Georgia). After that one free transfer, its time for kids to move down a level barring some exceptions-with coaching changes being the most obvious example of what I'm talking about.
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I don't like the unregistered agents, influencers, and handlers in CFP. The States, NCAA and P-4 conferences should clamp down on this. Also, States may need to enact things for attorney's representing players addressing a wide array of issues--maybe an ethics op. In dealing with kids 18 or younger in most states they are a protected class, and that is too young for an outside influencers getting a piece of the pie (%) for each step of a players career. I'm on the fence for those over 18 but under 21 (some states they are adults), however the agents/influencers wield so much power with experience, they do so for the almighty buck, and in many instrances there is a vast difference in bargaining power between the player + parents in the process. IMO, for NIL (18 or 21 and under--your choice) in dealing with the younger kids, I believe they use a licensed attorney for an hourly fee to review, finalize, and better the deal to protect the SA, without permitting any finders fee or contingencies going to outside persons--unregistered agents, influencers, or handlers.
 
Buffnik said:
I bet Mack Brown said, "I have a contract and I'm going to work through the end of it instead of retiring and letting you off the hook for millions of dollars." UNC was backed into choosing between accepting lame duck years with the resulting harm to the program at a time the ACC & their future is in flux or firing him and eating it so they could move forward.
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I was talking to my co-worker, a huge UT fan, about this yesterday.

Apparently, UT asked Brown to retire a year or two before he was shown the door. Brown was close buddies with a huge UT booster, who also happened to be a lawyer and was one of the lawyers that negotiated the major big tobacco settlement. When Brown "lawyered up" with that guy and showed up at contract negotiations with him, UT felt they had to keep him on (not sure if it was 1 or 2 additional years).

They finally fired him anyway, but likely that lawyer/booster saw the writing on the wall by then and was no longer in Brown's corner.

It appears the guy just can't see when it isn't working anymore and assumes he can fix it.
 
Buffnik said:
Retirements and NFL defections seem increasingly likely after the shakeout from the NCAA settlement is known. I don't think many coaches like players being paid.
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I agree with you, but those HC's go to NFL (probably as assts) or HS (for little $$). For P-5 teams, even with retirements, I think the movement will be less than 7 in the P-4 (unless there are domino's falling like last season, where one vacancy opens another P-4 vacancy). I wonder if teams will hire from within to keep some continuity, at least to be competitive for initial signing and early TP process.

If I was betting:

1. Walters probably out.
2. Whitt retires but Scalley follows.
3. Gundy maybe, not sure if he has an heir.
4. One or two may stay thourgh initial signing/TP and then retire/jump ship to NFL or another CFP team as a coordinator. The Chip Kelly approach.
5. A few dominos, but nothing like last season.
 
Highlander said:
I was talking to my co-worker, a huge UT fan, about this yesterday.

Apparently, UT asked Brown to retire a year or two before he was shown the door. Brown was close buddies with a huge UT booster, who also happened to be a lawyer and was one of the lawyers that negotiated the major big tobacco settlement. When Brown "lawyered up" with that guy and showed up at contract negotiations with him, UT felt they had to keep him on (not sure if it was 1 or 2 additional years).

They finally fired him anyway, but likely that lawyer/booster saw the writing on the wall by then and was no longer in Brown's corner.

It appears the guy just can't see when it isn't working anymore and assumes he can fix it.
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Or, it is more profitable to get fired and bought out than to quit. I have to admit, if I was a CFB HC, sucking wind but in line for a huge buyout, I would wait around for the axe to fall.
 
GRM said:
I agree with you, but those HC's go to NFL (probably as assts) or HS (for little $$). For P-5 teams, even with retirements, I think the movement will be less than 7 in the P-4 (unless there are domino's falling like last season, where one vacancy opens another P-4 vacancy). I wonder if teams will hire from within to keep some continuity, at least to be competitive for initial signing and early TP process.

If I was betting:

1. Walters probably out.
2. Whitt retires but Scalley follows.
3. Gundy maybe, not sure if he has an heir.
4. One or two may stay thourgh initial signing/TP and then retire/jump ship to NFL or another CFP team as a coordinator. The Chip Kelly approach.
5. A few dominos, but nothing like last season.
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Real quick look at what I would think would be possible places for openings-
ACC-Maybe Wake? They're 4-7. Not sure Stanford fires Troy Taylor. I think they know that's a rebuild. Who the hell knows about FSU.
Big 10-I think David Braun earned a fair amount of credibility off that 8 win year. Mike Locksley might be a guy to watch at Maryland.
Big 12-Utah, Oklahoma State obvious.....UCF maybe.
SEC-Auburn's about it.
 
ahoelsken said:
Real quick look at what I would think would be possible places for openings-
ACC-Maybe Wake? They're 4-7. Not sure Stanford fires Troy Taylor. I think they know that's a rebuild. Who the hell knows about FSU.
Big 10-I think David Braun earned a fair amount of credibility off that 8 win year. Mike Locksley might be a guy to watch at Maryland.
Big 12-Utah, Oklahoma State obvious.....UCF maybe.
SEC-Auburn's about it.
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Wake would be crazy to fire Clawson. If they have money to invest in a termination and replacement, instead use that cash on NIL so they're not forced to deal with their starting QB transferring out every year. Clawson's a great coach.
 
Highlander said:
I was talking to my co-worker, a huge UT fan, about this yesterday.

Apparently, UT asked Brown to retire a year or two before he was shown the door. Brown was close buddies with a huge UT booster, who also happened to be a lawyer and was one of the lawyers that negotiated the major big tobacco settlement. When Brown "lawyered up" with that guy and showed up at contract negotiations with him, UT felt they had to keep him on (not sure if it was 1 or 2 additional years).

They finally fired him anyway, but likely that lawyer/booster saw the writing on the wall by then and was no longer in Brown's corner.

It appears the guy just can't see when it isn't working anymore and assumes he can fix it.
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Joseph Dahr Jamail Jr. (October 19, 1925 – December 23, 2015) was an American attorney and billionaire. The wealthiest practicing attorney in America, he was frequently referred to as the "King of Torts".[1]

In 2015, his net worth was estimated by Forbes to be $1.7 billion.[2] Jamail died on December 23, 2015[3] in Houston from complications related to pneumonia.[4][5]

Career​

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In 1985, Jamail represented Pennzoil, whose CEO Hugh Liedtke was Jamail's close friend,[8] in a lawsuit against Texaco. Pennzoil won the case and his contingency fee was $335 million.[9][10]

Jamail was known for his passionate, aggressive, sometimes abrasive advocacy on behalf of his clients; a tendency that has been noted in the National Law Journal, by the Delaware Supreme Court[11] as well as other sources.

Charity​

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Jamail made large donations to Rice University and the University of Texas at Austin. The football field at Darrell K. Royal–Texas Memorial Stadium was named Joe Jamail Field in his honor. However, on July 13, 2020, it was announced that the field would be renamed to the Earl Campbell-Ricky Williams Field at the Jamail family's request.[17] The Joseph D. Jamail Jr. Pavilion at the University of Texas School of Law is named after him. Also located on the University of Texas campus is the Lee and Joe Jamail Texas Swimming Center, named for him and his wife. The University has erected two statues on campus in his honor.[18]

On May 14, 2008, The University of Texas at Austin announced a $15 million gift from Joe Jamail to support the law school, nursing school, and the college of undergraduate studies. In response to the gift, the university renamed a large meeting room in the tower building to the Lee Hage Jamail Academic Room.[19]

In 2008, the Lee and Joe Jamail Skatepark opened near downtown Houston. It was a $2.7 million project. The park is public.

On April 27, 2011, the San Marcos Baptist Academy announced a $1 million gift from Joe Jamail to help establish a fund to build a special event center on the academy campus in memory of Jamail’s wife, Lee, who graduated from San Marcos Academy in 1944.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
I’m surprised at the likes on that comment. UNC is probably a top 20 job in the country
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Maybe right around the fringe of top 20 but of course that depends on what factors someone takes into account when considering a P4 job to be top 20. Regardless though, like the article said it wouldn't be a good fit considering the latitude and marketing ability that Prime has at CU.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
I’m surprised at the likes on that comment. UNC is probably a top 20 job in the country
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USC, Oregon, Washington, Texas, Texas A&M,
Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Tennessee, Georgia
Alabama, LSU, Notre Dame, Clemson, Miami
Florida, FSU, Oklahoma. That’s 18 before you get to CU, Wisconsin, Michigan State, South Carolina, Iowa, Nebraska, Ole Miss. You can debate North Carolina’s place in that group, but that’s more like a top 30, not top 20 job. They have none of the history of the second tier I listed.
 
Buffnik said:
Wake would be crazy to fire Clawson. If they have money to invest in a termination and replacement, instead use that cash on NIL so they're not forced to deal with their starting QB transferring out every year. Clawson's a great coach.
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I didn't know that. That was a real quick "who sucks in the power 4" kind of take.

could be one of the quietest carousels I've ever seen.
 
steviet said:
USC, Oregon, Washington, Texas, Texas A&M,
Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Tennessee, Georgia
Alabama, LSU, Notre Dame, Clemson, Miami
Florida, FSU, Oklahoma. That’s 18 before you get to CU, Wisconsin, Michigan State, South Carolina, Iowa, Nebraska, Ole Miss. You can debate North Carolina’s place in that group, but that’s more like a top 30, not top 20 job. They have none of the history of the second tier I listed.
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Yeah, sooooooo top 20, give or take a few spots depending on your criteria. I don’t think it’s debatable that it’s a better job than CU under normal circumstances, if for nothing else than recruiting grounds.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Yeah, sooooooo top 20, give or take a few spots depending on your criteria. I don’t think it’s debatable that it’s a better job than CU under normal circumstances, if for nothing else than recruiting grounds.
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The question about UNC is how dedicated they are to football, and they remain stuck on their basketball program first and foremost.
 
Duff Man said:
Basketball will always be king there.
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Absolutely. But ithe basketball schools like Kentucky and Kansas have shown at least a decent dedication to football in recent years.

I work with a recent UNC grad who's a big fan and he's very frustrated with the lack of commitment towards football.
 
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