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2025 Spring Football

Buffnik said:
Completely different budgets.

At least for now. I'm not sure we know what things will look like after the NCAA settles the lawsuit from former players and institutes new rules around it.

What I think will happen:

1. All athletes will be scholarship athletes (at least a partial scholly) with no walk-on system.
2. All athletes will receive a cash stipend set at some revenue percentage of AD revenue (or a portion of revenue such as conference payouts).
3. Donations to the AD are likely not included in calculations of player stipend fund, so collectives continue as a separate NIL opportunity for players.
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I understood that the new Colorado bill that will probably get passed would do away with Collectives, and the NIL money can and would come out of the AD budget directly .
 
Buffnik said:
I think we're saying basically the same thing.

It looks like there will be more scholarship costs due to expanded scholarship rosters but no walk ons.

It looks like there will be revenue sharing with the athletes.

These costs will go against the AD budget, which is going to make budgets much tighter.

Separate from that is NIL.

So, probably not accurate to say that Prime's contract (or anyone's contract within the AD) has anything to do with NIL. But those contracts DO impact whether a Big 12 member like CU has the resources to pay the same level of athlete stipends out of its revenue as a B1G/SEC member when our conference revenue is tens of millions less than members from those conferences.

The one thing I would disagree on is what you said about unbalanced stipends which would send a bunch more to football with other broadcasted or revenue sports getting more than the non-revenue Olympic sports. There are a lot of questions about whether that framework would survive Title IX lawsuit challenge when that legislation is supposed to ensure that the scholarship opportunities for men & women balance (50/50 or is representative of the student body) and that all athletes, regardless of gender, receive the same benefits from the university. How's this any different than if you served steak and lobster to MBB players in the athletic dining hall but only gave the WBB players cold cereal?
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That is why they are all at Congress looking for both Antitrust and clarity on Title IX that says there must be equal attention paid to Mens and Womens athletes, but not equal share of revenue because if your sport generates $X and the other $Y, you are splitting that money and not ALL the money, but we shall see.

My point is that Prime is quite Wealthy, and if he were to get paid even $1M and we put the other potential $10M into his staff and the players, that is a better investment. He does not need the money, the program does, and while we should just spend every penny needed to make it work out, maybe there is a lot of places that we have given him Carte Blanche to make wayyyy more money on endorsements, etc...
 
Da Lama said:
QB Coach.
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Renee Zellweger Quote GIF by Top 100 Movie Quotes of All Time
 
4BienemyTDs said:
That is why they are all at Congress looking for both Antitrust and clarity on Title IX that says there must be equal attention paid to Mens and Womens athletes, but not equal share of revenue because if your sport generates $X and the other $Y, you are splitting that money and not ALL the money, but we shall see.

My point is that Prime is quite Wealthy, and if he were to get paid even $1M and we put the other potential $10M into his staff and the players, that is a better investment. He does not need the money, the program does, and while we should just spend every penny needed to make it work out, maybe there is a lot of places that we have given him Carte Blanche to make wayyyy more money on endorsements, etc...
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Both of you mentioned Congress, but nothing ever really gets done by Congress--one way or another. It has been that way for decades. I have no clue what Congress could ever get done (on any issue), or how the Courts will figure the Title IX stuff. IMO, the Courts will probably weigh-in before Congress even gets anything out of committee, much less passed. I may be wrong, but that is based on history.

I think you are correct about Prime, as it appears not about $$$. It is whether Prime can build a champion at CU? IMO, he wants to do it at CU, as does others (some ACs) to prove a point more than anything. You can take the $$$ and certainly be happy, but there are some that just want to be the best and prove all the doubters wrong. Sports has always been like that.

I'm not ready to give into the SEC/B1G money/budget is everything crowd. I'm not willing to predict that the ACC and Notre Dame are going to throw in the towel for just $$$ alone or the B12. Some folks (2 conferences, ADs, coaches, ACs, and [certain] players) want to prove a point and that motivation can be extremely strong.

For the players, I do find it somewhat short-sighted to in having the mindset of I "just want $$$ in college football," if you believe that you can be/play with the best, As for that small % they want the big $$$$$$ in the NFL, where then again it might not be just about the $$$$$$, but it is where they can confidently say we/I are the best in winning rings.
 
GRM said:
Both of you mentioned Congress, but nothing ever really gets done by Congress--one way or another. It has been that way for decades. I have no clue what Congress could ever get done (on any issue), or how the Courts will figure the Title IX stuff. IMO, the Courts will probably weigh-in before Congress even gets anything out of committee, much less passed. I may be wrong, but that is based on history.

I think you are correct about Prime, as it appears not about $$$. It is whether Prime can build a champion at CU? IMO, he wants to do it at CU, as does others (some ACs) to prove a point more than anything. You can take the $$$ and certainly be happy, but there are some that just want to be the best and prove all the doubters wrong. Sports has always been like that.

I'm not ready to give into the SEC/B1G money/budget is everything crowd. I'm not willing to predict that the ACC and Notre Dame are going to throw in the towel for just $$$ alone or the B12. Some folks (2 conferences, ADs, coaches, ACs, and [certain] players) want to prove a point and that motivation can be extremely strong.

For the players, I do find it somewhat short-sighted to in having the mindset of I "just want $$$ in college football," if you believe that you can be/play with the best, As for that small % they want the big $$$$$$ in the NFL, where then again it might not be just about the $$$$$$, but it is where they can confidently say we/I are the best in winning rings.
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Colorado Players are taking less money and are buying into a Slotting system by our GM and our Financial guy (father and son actually) and the worst thing to see happen is the Texas Tech and Michigan overspending and putting certain positions out of whack. A player pay scale for everyone would be so helpful. I think investing in Prime right now us gold, and I wish and wonder if RG or someone understands fully the golden goose that we are so luck to have!
 
4BienemyTDs said:
Colorado Players are taking less money and are buying into a Slotting system by our GM and our Financial guy (father and son actually) and the worst thing to see happen is the Texas Tech and Michigan overspending and putting certain positions out of whack. A player pay scale for everyone would be so helpful. I think investing in Prime right now us gold, and I wish and wonder if RG or someone understands fully the golden goose that we are so luck to have!
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This narrative that RG doesn’t understand his value or isn’t willing to do what it takes to keep Prime is asinine. He brought Prime in and he understands fully the golden goose he has. He said they would have contract discussions after the season, and from what I have heard and what Lama has heard he has put together a high end contract extension that is a done deal. He has obviously given Prime a blank check for his coaching pool, and they are all in on the rev share. R-E-L-A-X
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
This narrative that RG doesn’t understand his value or isn’t willing to do what it takes to keep Prime is asinine. He brought Prime in and he understands fully the golden goose he has. He said they would have contract discussions after the season, and from what I have heard and what Lama has heard he has put together a high end contract extension that is a done deal. He has obviously given Prime a blank check for his coaching pool, and they are all in on the rev share. R-E-L-A-X
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I am trying to Yak, and it feels like things are in a great place, but man, want to go big...

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Da Lama said:
The strategy to manage the lines with multiple, high-level coaches is pure genius. Those are units that need as many eyes on them as possible. Again, HCP out here playing 4D chess.
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Especially once we get into the season when having 1 OL coach means that the 3s/ developmental guys would get very little direct work with that coach instead of the GA. I also think it's very hard for 1 guy to split time and give enough attention on technique when C/OG/OT are so different as well as the NT/DT/WDE/SDE needing different focuses on technique.
 
Heywood said:
With the extra padding on the helmets the skinny corners looked like 4th graders from that angle
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I noticed a couple of linemen wearing those during a bowl game (No Ill?)
If you send players onto the field knowing they don't have the best protection available, you will be sued if someone is hurt. No question.
They look goofy, but so did facemasks, hockey helmets, etc
 
GawainBuff said:
Also without the extra time Montez took to tilt his shoulders before throwing deep.

JuJu just flicked that ball. That’s some talent there.
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But can JuJu sing the frat hymn? What is his favorite flavor of Totino's frozen pizza.

JuJu is elite, completely other level but sad thing is that Montez had talent. Had he dedicated himself to it and been serious Montez had a real shot at being at least a backup QB in the NFL, maybe more. As it was his raw talent got him invited to a couple of training camps. He got a couple of years on practice squads and even a few games on active rosters.
 
Da Lama said:
People out here thinking Juju is here to play behind Salter and come in for special situations/plays when it's actually the other way around. 😉
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If Salter doesn’t win the job (and I think he will but that is in no way a negative against JuJu, it’s just really hard to be a freshman that should actually still be in high school and beat a guy with 4 years of experience) he will not be sticking around for packages
 
4BienemyTDs said:
Buffnik, not so much to be honest.

The Settlement is looking backwards and forwards, so let's just focus on the moving forward REVENUE SHARING bucket of $20.5 Million. That is directly within the Athletic Department Budget, and they are likely to spend say $17 Million on Football and the rest on Mens BB, Womens BB and other olympic sports.

That $17 Million has to come from our revenues, so if we have to pay $11 Million to Prime, instead of $5 Million, the budget is more balanced or manageable, so to say it is totally separate budgets is not true. Gundy took a pay cut, Norvell took a pay cut to make sure there is a more money in the Revenue Sharing Salary bucket moving forward.

Yes, NIL is separate, so maybe I should have clarified where those $$$ come from.
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Buffnik said:
I think we're saying basically the same thing.

It looks like there will be more scholarship costs due to expanded scholarship rosters but no walk ons.

It looks like there will be revenue sharing with the athletes.

These costs will go against the AD budget, which is going to make budgets much tighter.

Separate from that is NIL.

So, probably not accurate to say that Prime's contract (or anyone's contract within the AD) has anything to do with NIL. But those contracts DO impact whether a Big 12 member like CU has the resources to pay the same level of athlete stipends out of its revenue as a B1G/SEC member when our conference revenue is tens of millions less than members from those conferences.

The one thing I would disagree on is what you said about unbalanced stipends which would send a bunch more to football with other broadcasted or revenue sports getting more than the non-revenue Olympic sports. There are a lot of questions about whether that framework would survive Title IX lawsuit challenge when that legislation is supposed to ensure that the scholarship opportunities for men & women balance (50/50 or is representative of the student body) and that all athletes, regardless of gender, receive the same benefits from the university. How's this any different than if you served steak and lobster to MBB players in the athletic dining hall but only gave the WBB players cold cereal?
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Just see people say this all over the internets
 
Bread said:
If Salter doesn’t win the job (and I think he will but that is in no way a negative against JuJu, it’s just really hard to be a freshman that should actually still be in high school and beat a guy with 4 years of experience) he will not be sticking around for packages
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I kid a bit because I'm Team Juju, but so long as we win 9+ every year I really don't care who takes the snaps.
 
I like the idea of a senior QB over the course of a long tough year, if it’s at all close.

That’s the way I would assess the competition: JuJu really has to show he’s that super rare true freshman QB that can win right off the bat. He may be that, but he’s also about as young as a freshman QB can possibly be.
 
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