22-23 Transfer Portal and General Recruiting Catch-All Thread

[GoBuffs99]

If you view "I'm bringing Louis" as bringing 50+ players from P5 programs who already have made significant contribution to their teams, that's the problem of your unrealistic expectation, not the problem of Prime's message.

Prime has said (actually bragged) repeatedly that the roster would be significantly upgraded via the spring portal. In reality the amount of talent we’ve lost this spring is about equal to what’s been brought in. And the portal is now closed and pretty picked over so I wouldn’t bet on that changing much.

 

[GoBuffs99]

The o-line certainly has better depth then last year but I don’t think whatever the starting 5 ends up being will be better then last year. (Does O’Boyle realize he can recruit better players now that he’s at a P5?)

Lichtenstein, Tommy Brown, Wells, Roddick, Wylie vs. Lichtenstein, Tyler Brown, Wells, Wilty, Washington

With the D-line I’m not sure if the edge players are considered DE or OLB (clearly edge has been significantly upgraded) but at least with regards to the bigger bodied types I don’t think what we have now is much better then Sami/Lang/Rodman. The potential starting DTs were backups at Fresno and Old Dominion.

 

[nepbug]

The o-line certainly has better depth then last year but I don’t think whatever the starting 5 ends up being will be better then last year. (Does O’Boyle realize he can recruit better players now that he’s at a P5?)

Lichtenstein, Tommy Brown, Wells, Roddick, Wylie vs. Lichtenstein, Tyler Brown, Wells, Wilty, Washington

With the D-line I’m not sure if the edge players are considered DE or OLB (clearly edge has been significantly upgraded) but at least with regards to the bigger bodied types I don’t think what we have now is much better then Sami/Lang/Rodman. The potential starting DTs were backups at Fresno and Old Dominion.

What are you saying should be done, or should have been done?

Are you upset that people are more excited for the new guys than the old guys?

 

[Medford M.]

Prime has said (actually bragged) repeatedly that the roster would be significantly upgraded via the spring portal. In reality the amount of talent we’ve lost this spring is about equal to what’s been brought in. And the portal is now closed and pretty picked over so I wouldn’t bet on that changing much.

You're a ****ing idiot if you think any of that.

 

[H.E. Pennypacker]

You're a ****ing idiot if you think any of that.

 

[Medford M.]

The o-line certainly has better depth then last year but I don’t think whatever the starting 5 ends up being will be better then last year. (Does O’Boyle realize he can recruit better players now that he’s at a P5?)

Lichtenstein, Tommy Brown, Wells, Roddick, Wylie vs. Lichtenstein, Tyler Brown, Wells, Wilty, Washington

With the D-line I’m not sure if the edge players are considered DE or OLB (clearly edge has been significantly upgraded) but at least with regards to the bigger bodied types I don’t think what we have now is much better then Sami/Lang/Rodman. The potential starting DTs were backups at Fresno and Old Dominion.

I'm convinced you don't follow any of this at this point. Washington graded out higher than any CU lineman last year by a lot. Rodman, Sami, and Lang...were all ass. Period. End of story.

 

[Buff_nc]

What we are seeing now is microwaved program building

Or maybe we're looking a little too closely at something that isn't really knowable yet until this fall...

 

[buff4bcs1985]

The o-line certainly has better depth then last year but I don’t think whatever the starting 5 ends up being will be better then last year. (Does O’Boyle realize he can recruit better players now that he’s at a P5?)

Lichtenstein, Tommy Brown, Wells, Roddick, Wylie vs. Lichtenstein, Tyler Brown, Wells, Wilty, Washington

With the D-line I’m not sure if the edge players are considered DE or OLB (clearly edge has been significantly upgraded) but at least with regards to the bigger bodied types I don’t think what we have now is much better then Sami/Lang/Rodman. The potential starting DTs were backups at Fresno and Old Dominion.

 

[Leon Sandcastle]

Or maybe we're looking a little too closely at something that isn't really knowable yet until this fall...

This is also probable

 

[chase5857]

Gobuffs99, you high?

 

[Hunchback Quaker]

The o-line certainly has better depth then last year but I don’t think whatever the starting 5 ends up being will be better then last year. (Does O’Boyle realize he can recruit better players now that he’s at a P5?)

Lichtenstein, Tommy Brown, Wells, Roddick, Wylie vs. Lichtenstein, Tyler Brown, Wells, Wilty, Washington

With the D-line I’m not sure if the edge players are considered DE or OLB (clearly edge has been significantly upgraded) but at least with regards to the bigger bodied types I don’t think what we have now is much better then Sami/Lang/Rodman. The potential starting DTs were backups at Fresno and Old Dominion.

I mean, ignoring that you got Lichtenhan's name wrong twice, how is that our starting line up? #1, Bailey will play over Wilty. #2, why is Beebe not starting? #3, are we assuming no improvement for Wells or Tank?

 

[BUFFset]

IDK know how to dumb it down any further. Maybe '99 needs to see another P5 offer list? PFFt grades, record, and production prove too much to comprehend.

 

[Big Jim]

Gobuffs99, you high?

Mrs. Wiley

 

[buffaholic]

First, take Tommy Brown and Roddick out of the equation. They decided they were done before CP was publicly known. Roddick entered the portal in November after 6 years out of high school. Brown hung up the cleats.

Yes - I think the OL is vastly improved and much more depth. There will be real competition. BO'B wants a specific type of player and Wiley didn't fit it. I'm very high on what we have here to work with and it will be very competitive.

Cornerback - So upgraded. Ridiculous.

Safety - deep with experience and much much better. Wood goes from best player on Defense to fighting for playing time.

LB - we were losing a lot of experience either way. Lost a youngster to Houston that I'd prefer we kept, but the guys coming in from Clemson, Alabama, FSU. Much better.

Edge - we lost nothing and gained all kinds of potential.

DL - overall much improved. Despite the analytics (which I don't trust for a 1-11 team as they apply to DL guys), Sami was very capable or the league's coaches would not have voted him PAC12 twice. But we got some young guys coming in here with 1-2 years of college campus that are as big, faster and they are going to be coached hard and compete every day. I expect a much improved unit

TE - we lost the one guy we brought in. Still think we get a good one to supplement what we have.

WR - Lost 2 guys who can play at this level. MLC chose to look elsewhere, wasn't run off. Tyson is likely to redshirt, but he was an emerging star.
Then we lost a bunch of guys who I don't think can play at this level and added a bunch of guys who should be upgrades. I think we are hugely improved as a group here.

QB - Not worth typing. Huge upgrade.

There's a handful of the guys we lost who are better than some of the replacements but as a whole, we are hugely improved. We also don't know how many guys were actually forced out or just uncomfortable with the competition coming in. I heard that one former starter got pissed that CP kept recruiting studs at his position. So he left.

If his goal was to maximize playing time at this level, I'm sure CP is ok with him leaving.
If his goal was to measure himself against top level competition every day in practice and do what it takes to get to the league, then he likely made a mistake.

 

[leftybuff]

The o-line certainly has better depth then last year but I don’t think whatever the starting 5 ends up being will be better then last year. (Does O’Boyle realize he can recruit better players now that he’s at a P5?)

Lichtenstein, Tommy Brown, Wells, Roddick, Wylie vs. Lichtenstein, Tyler Brown, Wells, Wilty, Washington

With the D-line I’m not sure if the edge players are considered DE or OLB (clearly edge has been significantly upgraded) but at least with regards to the bigger bodied types I don’t think what we have now is much better then Sami/Lang/Rodman. The potential starting DTs were backups at Fresno and Old Dominion.

Well, the OL was a part of the offense that generated 108 ypg on the ground, 172 in the air. That anemic output is largely, but not completely, the result of a very suspect OL.

The DL was the first line of defense in the worst rushing defense in the country, and the 113th best pass defense.

For the life of me, you wanted to keep the core of those units around? Why?

 

[Medford M.]

I mean, ignoring that you got Lichtenhan's name wrong twice, how is that our starting line up? #1, Bailey will play over Wilty. #2, why is Beebe not starting? #3, are we assuming no improvement for Wells or Tank?

I actually think Wilty and Brown start, and Bebee and Bailey are back ups.

 

[H.E. Pennypacker]

The o-line certainly has better depth then last year but I don’t think whatever the starting 5 ends up being will be better then last year. (Does O’Boyle realize he can recruit better players now that he’s at a P5?)

Lichtenstein, Tommy Brown, Wells, Roddick, Wylie vs. Lichtenstein, Tyler Brown, Wells, Wilty, Washington

With the D-line I’m not sure if the edge players are considered DE or OLB (clearly edge has been significantly upgraded) but at least with regards to the bigger bodied types I don’t think what we have now is much better then Sami/Lang/Rodman. The potential starting DTs were backups at Fresno and Old Dominion.

 

[buffaholic]

I actually think Wilty and Brown start, and Bebee and Bailey are back ups.

It's going to be massively competitive and guys will NOT be missing workouts or their Protein Shakes this summer, that I am certain of.

 

[seattlebuff]

Well, the OL was a part of the offense that generated 108 ypg on the ground, 172 in the air. That anemic output is largely, but not completely, the result of a very suspect OL.

The DL was the first line of defense in the worst rushing defense in the country, and the 113th best pass defense.

For the life of me, you wanted to keep the core of those units around? Why?

I’m not disagreeing with anything you’re saying … but my point is: it is possible to agree that last year’s players *all* had to go AND at the same time, be a little underwhelmed by the most of the guys brought in to replace them.

Honestly, if Karl Dorrell announced a slew of transfers from Liberty, Old Dominion, Southern Utah, Maine, Kent State, Coastal Carolina, Arkansas State … would we all be jumping for joy? But because it’s Prime’s crew doing it, somehow it makes it all legit and beyond reproach. No criticism allowed.

 

[JMBuffs]

I’m not disagreeing with anything you’re saying … but my point is: it is possible to agree that last year’s players *all* had to go AND at the same time, be a little underwhelmed by the most of the guys brought in to replace them.

Honestly, if Karl Dorrell announced a slew of transfers from Liberty, Old Dominion, Southern Utah, Maine, Kent State, Coastal Carolina, Arkansas State … would we all be jumping for joy? But because it’s Prime’s crew doing it, somehow it makes it all legit and beyond reproach. No criticism allowed.

Except we've got a slew of young players coming from the SEC and FSU

 

[Medford M.]

I’m not disagreeing with anything you’re saying … but my point is: it is possible to agree that last year’s players *all* had to go AND at the same time, be a little underwhelmed by the most of the guys brought in to replace them.

Honestly, if Karl Dorrell announced a slew of transfers from Liberty, Old Dominion, Southern Utah, Maine, Kent State, Coastal Carolina, Arkansas State … would we all be jumping for joy? But because it’s Prime’s crew doing it, somehow it makes it all legit and beyond reproach. No criticism allowed.

Maybe don't focus on where they're coming from, but rather watch their film and look at their production?

Penn State just took a DT from Old Dominion, too.

 

[Hunchback Quaker]

I’m not disagreeing with anything you’re saying … but my point is: it is possible to agree that last year’s players *all* had to go AND at the same time, be a little underwhelmed by the most of the guys brought in to replace them.

Honestly, if Karl Dorrell announced a slew of transfers from Liberty, Old Dominion, Southern Utah, Maine, Kent State, Coastal Carolina, Arkansas State … would we all be jumping for joy? But because it’s Prime’s crew doing it, somehow it makes it all legit and beyond reproach. No criticism allowed.

I mean, yeah, do you not know how coaching changes work? Especially ones that are very obviously upgrades? Why ruin the honeymoon phase for others?

 

[Not Sure]

Prime has said (actually bragged) repeatedly that the roster would be significantly upgraded via the spring portal. In reality the amount of talent we’ve lost this spring is about equal to what’s been brought in. And the portal is now closed and pretty picked over so I wouldn’t bet on that changing much.

 

[leftybuff]

I’m not disagreeing with anything you’re saying … but my point is: it is possible to agree that last year’s players *all* had to go AND at the same time, be a little underwhelmed by the most of the guys brought in to replace them.

Honestly, if Karl Dorrell announced a slew of transfers from Liberty, Old Dominion, Southern Utah, Maine, Kent State, Coastal Carolina, Arkansas State … would we all be jumping for joy? But because it’s Prime’s crew doing it, somehow it makes it all legit and beyond reproach. No criticism allowed.

I was disappointed that about 6 or so guys who left were not retained by CP. Maybe they left on their own, maybe they were shown the door, we'll probably never know.

I do know that landing players off the two deep at Bama x2, FSU x4, Clemson, Ole Miss, Arky x 2 are very likely going to make the D much, much better.

As for the O, the WR overhaul is hard to argue with. Really, only two WR were of a caliber that was going to move the needle, and one of them was rehabbing. Sorry, to see them go, but the WR room is better on paper. I really like the RB and QB rooms, but the lack of depth concerns me. The OL did not land a gaggle of jaw dropping names, but we finally have enough big bodies to have a competent two deep and I really cannot fathom how they aren't at least a marginal improvement over last year.

Sure, when I see a transfer from Maine, ODU, Liberty or JSU, I do wonder how they will fare in the P12, but I still think there has been a massive upgrade across the board.

 

[GoBuffs99]

I'm convinced you don't follow any of this at this point. Washington graded out higher than any CU lineman last year by a lot. Rodman, Sami, and Lang...were all ass. Period. End of story.

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Washington didn’t make 1st, 2nd, or 3rd team all conference…in the MAC. And had three other P5 conference offers as a transfer. He’s a decent player, but am I really supposed to be very impressed? fwiw Jake Wiley got six P5 offers in the portal.

We’ve also added another average starter from Kent State, two FCS players who had no other P5 offers as a transfers, 3 JUCOs two of whom were lightly recruited, a backup from Liberty, and redshirt 3-star recruit. Yay?

Allbuffs groupthink: clearly we’ve significantly upgraded the offensive line!

Again I think we definitely have more quality depth but I don’t think the actual starters are any better.

I’ll add to this that the two prep o-line recruits added by the new staff have just one combined P5 offer.

 

[married2abuff]

There is nothing better to extend a thread than to disagree with the masses.

 

[GoBuffs99]

Notable spring loses: Traore, MLC, Sami, Tyson, Reed, Upshaw, Wylie, Aubrey Smith, Rodman

Notable spring adds: Smalls, Dawson, Gant, Mclendon, Thomas, Ward, Robinson, Cooper, Tisdale

I don’t see much of a difference…Prime has repeatedly said the starting lineup would be significantly improved via the spring portal.

 

[ebeyg]

Washington didn’t make 1st, 2nd, or 3rd team all conference…in the MAC. And had three other P5 conference offers as a transfer. He’s a decent player, but am I really supposed to be very impressed? fwiw Jake Wiley got six P5 offers in the portal.

We’ve also added another average starter from Kent State, two FCS players who had no other P5 offers as a transfers, 3 JUCOs two of whom were lightly recruited, a backup from Liberty, and redshirt 3-star recruit. Yay?

Allbuffs groupthink: clearly we’ve significantly upgraded the offensive line!

Again I think we definitely have more quality depth but I don’t think the actual starters are any better.

I’ll add to this that the two prep o-line recruits added by the new staff have just one combined P5 offer.

Sav’ell Smalls, Bishop Thomas, Jaquez Robinson, Omarion Cooper, Derrick Mcclendon & Tar’Varish Dawson are EACH more intriguing than anyone on the roster last season. This is from the past week alone.

Tyson was speedy. MLC made a couple great plays. Otherwise, I haven’t been more depressed by a CU football team since Embree.

 

[Buffalo Brad]

Notable spring loses: Traore, MLC, Sami, Tyson, Reed, Upshaw, Wylie, Aubrey Smith, Rodman

Notable spring adds: Smalls, Dawson, Gant, Mclendon, Thomas, Ward, Robinson, Cooper, Tisdale

I don’t see much of a difference…Prime has repeatedly said the starting lineup would be significantly improved via the spring portal.

 

[chase5857]

Except we've got a slew of young players coming from the SEC and FSU

Right on Cue. JJ Hawkins Dline from ole miss just committed