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22-23 Transfer Portal and General Recruiting Catch-All Thread

Offense right now of:

QB: Sanders, Staub
RB: Smoke, Hankerson, Edwards
WR: Weaver, Horton, Miller
WR: Hunter, Ellis, Hopkins
SL: Horn, Dawson, Gaines, Mathis
TE: Passarello, Fauria, Olsen
LT: Tank, Jatta
LG: Brown, Bebee
C: Wells, Bailey or Bebee
RG: Wilty or Bailey
RT: Washington, Jatta

Defense of:

DE: Domineck, Harris
DT: Cokes, McNeill
DT: Payne, Thomas, Wallace
DE: McClendon, Smalls
LB: Kennedy, Ham
LB: Bentley, Hurtado
LB: Brown, Gant
CB: Hunter, McClain
CB: Robinson, Cooper
N: Breedlove
S: Slusher or Silmon-Craig, Ward
S: Tisdale or Woods, Gant

K: Mata
P: Vassett

In what universe is that a bad defensive line? UT and FSU fans are not happy about losing McNeill and Thomas. UGA fans have good things to say about Washington if he comes here. Let's also mention these unproven guys have better pedigree and practiced against far better dudes in practice than what we had last year.

IDK about you, but I don't necessarily see anything anyone would consider a "weak" spot. One wuck look can te you that roster blows away our 2022 depth chart, though.

We need to improve at WR and O line the most IMO. Get s couple guys who've produced a bit more at receiver, and hopefully land McCaskill as well.

Keep in mind, we have 15 more spots and are still in on a bunch of good players, plus you never know if a freshman might flash.
I don't think anyone is concerned about any of the starters/potential starters we have. The concern, is that the depth behind those starters gets shaky in some spots (D-line). Where the lack of awareness for many fans comes into play, is that these four d-line starters are head and shoulders above what we had last year. And any depth that this staff will bring in is going to be head and shoulders above the "depth" that we had last year. Will those backups be P5 quality? Maybe not as starters but as rotation pieces almost assuredly. The same cannot be said for the rotation at d-line last year. Take a look at where their offers are taking them and the answer is clear.
 
I don't even know what the argument is about.

Is there anyone who believes all of the 50+ transfers this year are going to be on the level of good P5 starters in 2023?

Is there anyone who believes that the CU talent has been downgraded in any position group?

I guess I do find it annoying that some people are choosing to be skeptical instead of enjoying the ride. But other than that, we're all going to be in "wait and see" mode to find out how good the new talent is and how well it comes together.
 
I don't even know what the argument is about.

Is there anyone who believes all of the 50+ transfers this year are going to be on the level of good P5 starters in 2023?

Is there anyone who believes that the CU talent has been downgraded in any position group?

I guess I do find it annoying that some people are choosing to be skeptical instead of enjoying the ride. But other than that, we're all going to be in "wait and see" mode to find out how good the new talent is and how well it comes together.
No. CU had no depth. While losing MLC hurts as he's a starting-caliber player. Most of these guys were just depth pieces. Wiley and Roddick are the main ones who were starter types but one been left and the other wasn't a fit for what O'Boyle wanted.

They already have starters in many positions, they just need depth.

Kicker.... Maybe.
I can't speak on Feely, I haven't seen but once and it was a struggle for ST altogether but Mata been legit from all of times I seen him outside of CU spring game.
 
Skepticism has its place but ….

Seriously, the QB and coaching changes alone make this program a totally different animal.

We have what appear to be outstanding coaches. We haven’t seen that in a while. Utter incompetence paired with inferior talent and entitlement are what we’ve had …. And people want to pick nits. Pick deeez nits.

We’ve gotten more 4* and 5* recruits (transfers and prep) in 6 months than in the past 20 years. Think about that and go ahead and find something to complain about.

8-4
Talk about skepticism. 4 losses?! 14-0 baby including the conference championship and bowl victory. This new era brings confidence of being forever in our rightful place in the college football hierarchy.
 
Our last kicker was pretty good and he certainly had a stronger leg than Mata. Maybe Mata and Feely combined will be ok. Well have to wait and see
I barely watched CU's previous kicker as I FF passed kicking so I can only speak on behalf of Mata, he's an excellent kicker but I believe his range is 50 yards max and if the previous kicker had a stronger leg, that wouldn't be a shocker. Feely is said to have a rocket leg, let's give him a chance to show it.
 
If Shone Washington commits? He’s never even played! And he was a nice recruit but not elite.
I'm not sure if you followed his recruitment, Shone was a nice recruit for the national championship Georgia, but he would have been an elite recruit for any team in the nation outside of top 5.

He would have been THE recruit for CU that we are gonna use 50 pages to express the excitement of getting him, if he came here in 2022.
 
I'm still very fond of all the roster doubter posters here and elsewhere.

Never fill those 85.
Too much "talent" lost.
Will we stay with 72 scholly's?
But, but Sami and Tyson....

Pffffft.

We are to a man better than last year. Take the roster last season, line them up directly across from this season. The talent now EASILY is better than last.
Do it. A few days ago I asked if someone had this. It’d be interesting to see.
 
Anyone arguing that this team has not been improved across the board is just ignorant. Look at all of the offers those guys moving on have. This group being brought in is better and even if they do lot improve on where they were last year. The Buffs were so devoid of talent that it would be hard not to be better by just randomly accepting commitments. Hell, that was KD’s strategy. He certainly did not recruit P5 talent.

This argument by anyone is a losing argument.
 
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But some of the justifiable skepticism is that CP made it seem with statements like "we coming" and "I'm bringing Louis" that we'd see this wave of established guys from P5 programs with proven records just clammoring to play for Prime Time. Outside of maybe 5-6 guys, that's not what we're seeing. The actual incoming recruits/transfers aren't matching that hype. We're getting guys from Marshall, Southern Utah, Old Dominion, Maine, Kent State, Jackson State, juco players ... yes, good players but vs sub P5 competition.
Honestly I don's understand the logic here.

If you are talking about prep recruiting, why aren't we seeing the "Louis"? We are living in a time when a high 3 star visit no longer excites the fan base, and 4 star visits are kind of "expected". How is that not "Louis" for Colorado, one of the most miserable football program in the past 15 years?

If you are talking about the Portal, of course you are not going to get many P5 guys who have enough playing time in their current team, they are not available in the portal. Pretty much everyone's strategy is to poach up or poach down, you either get guys who get limited playing time from programs that is way better than you, or you get guys who shined in a lesser program so you give them a bigger stage. What Prime did, is for starters, he brings guys from top programs who are at least in the two deep, or are the super star of the lower level team. He then build the bench with players who are highly recruited from HS and eager to fight for playing time. How is that conflicting with messages like "we coming" and "I'm bringing Louis"?

If you view "I'm bringing Louis" as bringing 50+ players from P5 programs who already have made significant contribution to their teams, that's the problem of your unrealistic expectation, not the problem of Prime's message.
 
The next time you hit on a player evaluation will be the first.

And yes, last year had a lot of proven commodities. They were proven to be terrible. My point is, we assume we’ve made upgrades across the board, but we really don’t have any way to back that up. It’s just speculation and blind hope until these guys hit the field.
What positions do you think might not be as good as last year?
 
Honestly I don's understand the logic here.

If you are talking about prep recruiting, why aren't we seeing the "Louis"? We are living in a time when a high 3 star visit no longer excites the fan base, and 4 star visits are kind of "expected". How is that not "Louis" for Colorado, one of the most miserable football program in the past 15 years?

If you are talking about the Portal, of course you are not going to get many P5 guys who have enough playing time in their current team, they are not available in the portal. Pretty much everyone's strategy is to poach up or poach down, you either get guys who get limited playing time from programs that is way better than you, or you get guys who shined in a lesser program so you give them a bigger stage. What Prime did, is for starters, he brings guys from top programs who are at least in the two deep, or are the super star of the lower level team. He then build the bench with players who are highly recruited from HS and eager to fight for playing time. How is that conflicting with messages like "we coming" and "I'm bringing Louis"?

If you view "I'm bringing Louis" as bringing 50+ players from P5 programs who already have made significant contribution to their teams, that's the problem of your unrealistic expectation, not the problem of Prime's message.
Logic and seattlebuff have never been used in the same sentence.
 
Anyone arguing that this team has not been improved across the board is just ignorant. Look at all of the offers those guys moving on have. This group being brought in is better and even if they do lot improve on where they were last year. The Biffs were so devoid of talent that it would be hard not to be better by just randomly accepting commitments. Hell, that was KD’s strategy. He certainly did not recruit P5 talent.

This argument by anyone is a losing argument.
The Biffs?
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Honestly I don's understand the logic here.

If you are talking about prep recruiting, why aren't we seeing the "Louis"? We are living in a time when a high 3 star visit no longer excites the fan base, and 4 star visits are kind of "expected". How is that not "Louis" for Colorado, one of the most miserable football program in the past 15 years?

If you are talking about the Portal, of course you are not going to get many P5 guys who have enough playing time in their current team, they are not available in the portal. Pretty much everyone's strategy is to poach up or poach down, you either get guys who get limited playing time from programs that is way better than you, or you get guys who shined in a lesser program so you give them a bigger stage. What Prime did, is for starters, he brings guys from top programs who are at least in the two deep, or are the super star of the lower level team. He then build the bench with players who are highly recruited from HS and eager to fight for playing time. How is that conflicting with messages like "we coming" and "I'm bringing Louis"?

If you view "I'm bringing Louis" as bringing 50+ players from P5 programs who already have made significant contribution to their teams, that's the problem of your unrealistic expectation, not the problem of Prime's message.
I think that’s a logical explanation and the first time I’ve seen it framed in quite that way. The poach up or poach down idea. I guess I was thinking about the football transfer portal in the same way as the basketball portal … lots of guys who are established starters at top schools in hoops move on to other places. Hell, Oregon lives off them. But I guess it’s different in football.

Anyway, we’ve clearly upgraded across the board. No debating that. I’d love to see another stud on both lines and a serviceable RB and QB. Optimistic for the direction we’re headed obviously.
 
Some have an unrealistic view. Prime has loaded the roster compared to where CU was this time last year. Now, some depth is being built with some FCS and G5 guys. No need to freakout. The OL, DL, CB, S and WR rooms are way better. The RB has more talent, but less depth. Same with QB. LB has three new starters, all SEC or ACC type talent. The TE room is static, but this offense apparently uses them as frequently as Dr. Phil gets something right, so we are good there.

In short, settle down, CU is in good shape.
 
I suggest that most people are looking at this the wrong way. CP came in and knew that we were light years away from a P5 roster composition that could win big. He pushed a ton of kids out, and probably saw a few kids that he would keep, leave of their own volition (that is to be expected with any big change, in my opinion). Rather than compare the new players we are getting as being, or not being, top level P5 talent, we should look at the CUFB program as a filter going forward. I think we should expect top see CP push out non performers (or those that are not a good "fit", as represented by the kids that he signed in the winter leaving already), and then replacing them within the 20/40/40 construct that CP has laid out since the beginning. Rinse and repeat until we have a roster that can win it all....that's CP's stated goal.

I don't see kids coming and then leaving immediately, as this staff being bad evaluators. And I don't see what happened with kids like MLC as being CU not being able to hold on to kids that we want to keep. This stuff happens all the time at good programs, but we are used to seeing it happen on an annual cycle. What we are seeing now is microwaved program building, and we are at the beginning stages of it. Funnel as much talent through the CU/CP filter as possible, and replace those that don't stick. My biggest concern with this model is maintaining team cohesiveness and culture. It isn't impossible, but it definitely makes it more difficult....and we won't really know about that until this coming season and beyond. In this day and age with transfer rules and NIL, and with where CUFB was just 5 months ago (the cellar), this model makes a ton of sense to me for turning CU around.
 
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Imagine your standard of hyper-intelligence at a university is figuring out what 15% of a number is. :ROFLMAO:
Perspective always matters. Hyper-intelligence of a smoking hot woman, drunk off her ass (otherwise he'd have no chance) able to calculate 15% and on the Klemson campus.

Solid logic
 
The downside of raising your academic standards:

The profile pic of Jan 6 for FastChad pretty much says it all. When “genius” in your circle is multiplying by 1.15 in your head (or just doubling the tax), it’s not a big leap to “failing to perform” as a general trend.

I had a girlfriend who told me about “slumming” with this one guy: every time he opened his mouth, she’d put her finger up and say, “Shhhh, shhh, shhh, you’re just so pretty.”

(And no, it wasn’t me….)
 
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