Arizona post-game thread

[Duff Man]

Wrong, I think we’re getting a guy who still averaged 9 wins a season in the “bad” years where everyone thinks he completely f**ked up their offenses. I’m not pretending he’s flawless or going to turn us into LSU and win national titles, but I do believe we’d be a respectable program again that has more talent and toughness than we have now and missing bowl games would become the anomaly, not the other way around.

There are very few examples in modern college football of coaches maintaining elite performance at one school for close to a decade. I’d like to get the next 4-6 years from a Les Miles with something to prove.

Okay.

But you seem to be outright dismissing criticism about the offense toward the end of his tenure. It WAS a problem. The rank in scoring offense in the SEC:

2011-2nd
2012-8th
2013-6th
2014-13th
2015-6th
2016-10th

That is a pretty striking decline with elite talent. I am not opposed, but his OC hire would be critical.

 

[SINKRATZ]

Okay.

But you seem to be outright dismissing criticism about the offense toward the end of his tenure. It WAS a problem. The rank in scoring offense in the SEC:

2011-2nd
2012-8th
2013-6th
2014-13th
2015-6th
2016-10th

That is a pretty striking decline with elite talent. I am not opposed, but his OC hire would be critical.

Im not dismissing that criticism at all - I am dismissing the criticism of 2013 which was dumb.

What I hear you and others saying is that his offenses took a negative turn after 2011 with the exception of 2013 which was good. Fine that’s fair criticism, but that’s 3 seasons out of 11 where the offense didn’t look great. For a program like CU that still looks pretty damn good especially when you consider that they still averaged 9 wins in those seasons.

Miles isn’t without flaws, but no one who would be available will be and personally I’ll take the good with the bad with Miles.

 

[rosstr]

Question: What would be one of the worst choices RG could make?

In the category: “Burning dog poo and the human response”

 

[TDbuff]

Wrong, I think we’re getting a guy who still averaged 9 wins a season in the “bad” years where everyone thinks he completely f**ked up their offenses. I’m not pretending he’s flawless or going to turn us into LSU and win national titles, but I do believe we’d be a respectable program again that has more talent and toughness than we have now and missing bowl games would become the anomaly, not the other way around.

There are very few examples in modern college football of coaches maintaining elite performance at one school for close to a decade. I’d like to get the next 4-6 years from a Les Miles with something to prove.

If you had to to watch LSU consistently over the years, you’d feel differently. That’s all I’m saying.

I wouldn’t talk down Les Miles if I thought he was a good coach, I want CU to win, I want a good coach, but the guy is not what CU needs right now.

I mean, we’d always want a local opinion that tells the real story about any coach we hired, instead of talking about stats on the internet. And any person in Baton Rouge would laugh at us if we hired Les—well because he won a natty. There’s much more to that story,

 

[SINKRATZ]

If you had to to watch LSU consistently over the years, you’d feel differently. That’s all I’m saying.

I wouldn’t talk down Les Miles if I thought he was a good coach, I want CU to win, I want a good coach, but the guy is not what CU needs right now.

I mean, we’d always want a local opinion that tells the real story about any coach we hired, instead of talking about stats on the internet. And any person in Baton Rouge would laugh at us if we hired Les—well because he won a natty. There’s much more to that story,

I mean, I guess. I also think people in Baton Rouge may have very different (maybe unrealistic) expectations and certainly different expectations than most Buff fans. I wouldn’t take a Husker fans opinion on coaches too seriously either. This isn’t directed at you specifically, but fans aren’t always the best judge which is why I like record. You are what your record says you are right?

 

[Buffnik]

The thing about LSU that I don't quite get regarding their fans is that they seem to have forgotten that this was a completely mediocre program until Saban arrived. Miles is easily their 2nd most successful era, but they act like he took that program to a low point or something.

 

[aghcsm]

Then who would call the games?

Can we get a break on MM’s payoff if he calls the games?

 

[GawainBuff]

You are what your record says you are right?

Um. Hawkins at Boise State?

 

[SINKRATZ]

Um. Hawkins at Boise State?

Yes, with a really good staff Hawk could be a very good MWC coach which is what he was.

 

[b3buffs]

The thing about LSU that I don't quite get regarding their fans is that they seem to have forgotten that this was a completely mediocre program until Saban arrived. Miles is easily their 2nd most successful era, but the act like he took that program to a low point or something.

This is spot on. They were down for DECADES before Saban. Give Miles credit, he kept them near the top when they could have very easily slid back to where they were pre-Saban.

 

[BuffUp]

 

[BuffUp]

 

[OUBuff]

is sweater vest available?

 

[Liver]

is sweater vest available?

son, please take one step backward. raise your right hand. make a fist. now, punch your self in the face. hard.

thanks in advance.

 

[Ralfie]

son, please take one step backward. raise your right hand. make a fist. now, punch your self in the face. hard.

thanks in advance.

Did he do it?! Did anyone see?

 

[skibum]

At Okie State, he got them to bowl games. Great, but not very successful.

Ummm... Not sure you realize what Okie Lite was before he got there. They weren't pre-Snider KjSU, but they also weren't very far in front of them either.

I'm not a huge a Miles advocate, and I'd definitely have my doubts.

But those doubts would mainly be on his motivation, energy, and willingness to embrace change (esp in offensive philosophy).

He can motivate, he can recruit (wasn't he the primary recruiter for Sal?), he can run a big time program. Can he evolve, and does he still have the fire?

I don't know the answers to those questions, but until I do, I'm not willing to exclude him - and I don't really know why anyone else would really dismiss him.

 

[skibum]

Yes, a faux pas double post: I'm not sure how much credibility to put into Cajun fans.

They were calling him and leaving death wish voicemails on his home phone only a few years into his tenure there. His wife couldn't go to the grocery store without hearing **** (apparently this is one of the reasons she really liked Boulder).

And well, there's the big one.

Unfortunately, there's no really subtle way of saying this.

LSU fans smell like corndogs.

Do you really want to trust the judgment of a bunch of people that smell like corndogs?

 

[Buffnik]

Yes, a faux pas double post: I'm not sure how much credibility to put into Cajun fans.

They were calling him and leaving death wish voicemails on his home phone only a few years into his tenure there. His wife couldn't go to the grocery store without hearing **** (apparently this is one of the reasons she really liked Boulder).

And well, there's the big one.

Unfortunately, there's no really subtle way of saying this.

LSU fans smell like corndogs.

Do you really want to trust the judgment of a bunch of people that smell like corndogs?

Also his kids were taking crap from those wonderful fans. It’s a big reason he was trying to get the Michigan job.

 

[TDbuff]

Yes, a faux pas double post: I'm not sure how much credibility to put into Cajun fans.

They were calling him and leaving death wish voicemails on his home phone only a few years into his tenure there. His wife couldn't go to the grocery store without hearing **** (apparently this is one of the reasons she really liked Boulder).

And well, there's the big one.

Unfortunately, there's no really subtle way of saying this.

LSU fans smell like corndogs.

Do you really want to trust the judgment of a bunch of people that smell like corndogs?

Well, the stereotypes and psychotic portions aside, there are reasonable LSU fans that just had to shake their heads as their offense pissed away talent year after year. And Les making boneheaded in game management decisions that he somehow got away with, sometimes. They weren’t wrong and Les never seemed to get it, so I doubt he’s finding Jesus at this point. Transfer that stubbornness to CU’s situation and I just don’t see it going well.

 

[Buffnik]

Well, the stereotypes and psychotic portions aside, there are reasonable LSU fans that just had to shake their heads as their offense pissed away talent year after year. And Les making boneheaded in game management decisions that he somehow got away with, sometimes. They weren’t wrong and Les never seemed to get it, so I doubt he’s finding Jesus at this point. Transfer that stubbornness to CU’s situation and I just don’t see it going well.

Questionable offense and game day decisions were hallmarks of the McCartney era - along with exceptional recruiting and hard nosed play. Miles’ coaching record mirrors McCartney’s imo.

 

[dyemeduke]

Yes, a faux pas double post: I'm not sure how much credibility to put into Cajun fans.

They were calling him and leaving death wish voicemails on his home phone only a few years into his tenure there. His wife couldn't go to the grocery store without hearing **** (apparently this is one of the reasons she really liked Boulder).

And well, there's the big one.

Unfortunately, there's no really subtle way of saying this.

LSU fans smell like corndogs.

Do you really want to trust the judgment of a bunch of people that smell like corndogs?

Trust...maybe not, but I'm definitely not against... ...

Supposedly from my friends who have been to Death Valley, one of the hotter coed fanbases around.

 

[TDbuff]

Trust...maybe not, but I'm definitely not against... ...

Supposedly from my friends who have been to Death Valley, one of the hotter coed fanbases around.

Yep, something with the Cajun ancestry, lots of girls with dark hair and green eyes.

 

[TDbuff]

Questionable offense and game day decisions were hallmarks of the McCartney era - along with exceptional recruiting and hard nosed play. Miles’ coaching record mirrors McCartney’s imo.

Oh come on. That’s a stretch. Mac didn’t take over BCS winning program, win another championship with the previous regime’s talent and coordinators and then get progressively worse the further he got away from that previous regime’s foundation till he got fired.

 

[skibum]

If people don't recall questionable offense and some serious headscratching in-game decisions from Mac, they're viewing his era through black and gold tinted glasses.

He had more talent on the field, so those headscratchers didn't cost him very many games, often because his players bailed him out.

Miles definitely fits into that same mold. With one exception: Mac updated his offense (sometimes too fast), Miles was slow to update his offense.

We don't know what the very long term trend would have been with Mac. He built a perennial winner from ashes, and then retired at the top. I like to think he would have kept us at the top, but that's an unknowable hypothetical.

 

[4BienemyTDs]

Mac would have kept us at the top, pretty sure top 20 as long as he was there.

As for now, I am 100% on the Les Miles train. He would inject the juice we need to get over the top, especially on recruiting. All I hear about is recruiting on this site, and none of the other pure football candidates being discussed would improve recruiting immediately, and would probably lose a few of the really good recruits we currently have.Pretty sure RG has spoken to his peoples people.