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Arizona post-game thread

ahoelsken said:
Never said anything to the contrary. The point I'm trying to make is I don't have those concerns with Tedford, and if we make a change, he's gotta be at the top of the list. Lets look at his resume for a second-82-57 at Cal. Sure, he was a mediocre 50-48 in conference play, but I'd argue the Pac 10 was a lot tougher then than it is now because USC was a national power then. Two, he's been in this part of the country his entire career. That does matter. Three, look at his debut seasons at Cal (7-5) and Fresno State (10-4). In both those situations, he took over 1-11 teams. You don't have that kind of success that quickly without a ****-ton of quality people around you at any level who can get the most out of what's already in place while being solid recruiters.
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Tedford would definitely be someone worth considering, he was the best coach Cal ever had and looks to have things going at Fresno State. My concerns with him would be:

1) His health. He’s had major heart surgery and claims to be healthy, but he’s only 57 yet looks like he’s almost 70.

2) Can he recruit Texas? Maybe he can, I just honestly have no idea what his connections are there.

3) He had a pretty terrible reputation for graduating players at Cal which could be a concern for administrators at CU and could present some APR risk.

Still think CU is not a place that will have the luxury of being able to turn away coaches with a flaw or two so I agree Tedford should be on the short list.
 
SINKRATZ said:
Tedford would definitely be someone worth considering, he was the best coach Cal ever had and looks to have things going at Fresno State. My concerns with him would be:

1) His health. He’s had major heart surgery and claims to be healthy, but he’s only 57 yet looks like he’s almost 70.

2) Can he recruit Texas? Maybe he can, I just honestly have no idea what his connections are there.

3) He had a pretty terrible reputation for graduating players at Cal which could be a concern for administrators at CU and could present some APR risk.

Still think CU is not a place that will have the luxury of being able to turn away coaches with a flaw or two so I agree Tedford should be on the short list.
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I think his health is the biggest concern I've got with him-and one more thing: I'd agree with your third point if we were running a search in a carousel like the one we saw last year-Texas A&M (which had a domino effect that led to both Florida State and Oregon coming open), UCLA, Tennessee, Ole Miss (who MM flirted with), and the Fuskers all changed coaches. This year should be nowhere near that lively-I see two possible changes in the Pac 12 (here and USC-but USC will hire somebody with USC connections if they make a move-Del Rio?) not much going on in the Big 12 (both Kansas schools?). We've also got a pretty good QB who could come back, and one of the best WRs in the country who anybody who takes this job would get for a year (he can't go pro until after next year, and he'd do more damage to himself by transferring).....this is going to be a really, really attractive gig if it opens after this month.
 
Tedford would certainly be worth a long look. His late career decline at Cal is a bit concerning, but could have easily been due to forces outside of his control at that school.
 
TDbuff said:
He was 7-5 his last season at Okie State. Yes he won a natty with Saban’s leftover coordinators, like Jimbo Fischer.

I will die on this hill, CU fans idolize Miles because he once set foot in Boulder in the 90’s, but he would be the worst thing we could change to right now.

I’ve never seen someone **** up talent like he did, especially on offense. I’ve had to follow LSU closely because of family, and anyone in Baton Rouge would tell you he couldn’t coach his way out of a paper bag and LSU won in spite of him.

Great recruiter? Sure, but how’s that gonna transfer from a recruiting hotbed at a SEC power house to Boulder?
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His recruiting is soooo overrated, especially for a transition to a program like CU.
 
onealcd said:
His recruiting is soooo overrated, especially for a transition to a program like CU.
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For what its worth, he recruited southern cal for mccartney in the late eighties and did an outstanding job.

If he has got religion on offense and brings a real coordinator, he would be an excellent fit. If he brought Cam Cameron in here wed be screwed.
 
BuffsRising said:
For what its worth, he recruited southern cal for mccartney in the late eighties and did an outstanding job.

If he has got religion on offense and brings a real coordinator, he would be an excellent fit. If he brought Cam Cameron in here wed be screwed.
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Bernardi was the recruiting coordinator for UCLA back in the 90’s, that doesn’t mean **** to me.
 
Miles would be way down my list.

We have an obsession with him because he is another link to the "Glory Days" but honestly if we look at him absent that link he has too many negatives.

There are others mentioned in this thread that would be much better choices but don't have that Buff history that we are all in love with.

This job is no longer a dumpster fire. Whoever takes over is going to have a roster with a decent number of PAC12 quality players, a supportive administration and AD, facilities that tell prospective recruits we are serious, and enough recent success to show it can be done.

We don't have to take scraps or hand me downs. Get a quality coach in here with the energy to build a winner and young enough to have a longer term vision. I don't think that is Les Miles.
 
MtnBuff said:
Miles would be way down my list.

We have an obsession with him because he is another link to the "Glory Days" but honestly if we look at him absent that link he has too many negatives.

There are others mentioned in this thread that would be much better choices but don't have that Buff history that we are all in love with.

This job is no longer a dumpster fire. Whoever takes over is going to have a roster with a decent number of PAC12 quality players, a supportive administration and AD, facilities that tell prospective recruits we are serious, and enough recent success to show it can be done.

We don't have to take scraps or hand me downs. Get a quality coach in here with the energy to build a winner and young enough to have a longer term vision. I don't think that is Les Miles.
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You’re wrong, it has nothing to do with getting back to the glory days. His working here before only means he’s familiar with Boulder, the challenges and opportunities, and it might make him more likely to take the job. He also knows RG from their time here so there’s some familiarity.

I think his head coaching career since is the bigger appeal.
 
SINKRATZ said:
You’re wrong, it has nothing to do with getting back to the glory days. His working here before only means he’s familiar with Boulder, the challenges and opportunities, and it might make him more likely to take the job. He also knows RG from their time here so there’s some familiarity.

I think his head coaching career since is the bigger appeal.
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Exactly. His wife loves Boulder. He has worked well with RG and Broussard in the past. He showed his character by continuing the relationship with the Aunese/McCartney family over the years. These are positive connections.

But the bottom line is that we'd be hiring 1 of the only national champion coaches in the game who has been very successful at every job he's ever had.
 
I get the Les Miles talk and I can’t really give a valid argument against it. I’m just not wild about the idea. Gut reaction, I suppose.

I’d really prefer someone younger.
 
4DemBuffs said:
I get the Les Miles talk and I can’t really give a valid argument against it. I’m just not wild about the idea. Gut reaction, I suppose.

I’d really prefer someone younger.
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That for me is the thing. I like the energy of a younger coach... this is why Jimmy Lake is very intriuging to me.
 
It's best to look forward...last time we did the glory days theme with a coach, we got Embree.
 
Buffnik said:
But the bottom line is that we'd be hiring 1 of the only national champion coaches in the game who has been very successful at every job he's ever had.
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At Okie State, he got them to bowl games. Great, but not very successful. He was LSU’s last resort when they hired him. And yes, he won a natty, but that ignores conditions that led to it, and what he did after Saban’s coordinators left him.

He had NFL talent every year and worked against it, because he couldn’t get out of his own way. He should’ve won at least one more championship with the rosters he had.

Does anybody remember hearing a lot about Odell Beckham before he got to the NFL? That’s because Miles couldn’t run a functional offense after Fischer left, or find a quarterback with all their resources.
 
TDbuff said:
At Okie State, he got them to bowl games. Great, but not very successful. He was LSU’s last resort when they hired him. And yes, he won a natty, but that ignores conditions that led to it, and what he did after Saban’s coordinators left him.

He had NFL talent every year and worked against it, because he couldn’t get out of his own way. He should’ve won at least one more championship with the rosters he had.

Does anybody remember hearing a lot about Odell Beckham before he got to the NFL? That’s because Miles couldn’t run a functional offense after Fischer left, or find a quarterback with all their resources.
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You serious? I remember Beckham absolutely from his time at LSU. Guy was a stud and despite splitting targets with Jarvis Landry, was picked 12th overall in the draft.

He was a 1st team AA, 1st team all SEC and led the SEC in kick returns. He and Landry (2nd team all SEC the same season) EACH went over 1100 yards in 2013, and LSU averaged 34 ppg that season so GTFO of here with that garbage about not running a functional offense.
 
SINKRATZ said:
You serious? I remember Beckham absolutely from his time at LSU. Guy was a stud and despite splitting targets with Jarvis Landry, was picked 12th overall in the draft.

He was a 1st team AA, 1st team all SEC and led the SEC in kick returns. He and Landry (2nd team all SEC the same season) EACH went over 1100 yards in 2013, and LSU averaged 34 ppg that season so GTFO of here with that garbage about not running a functional offense.
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They were really good that season, but the criticism is valid for most of post-2011 Miles at LSU.
 
SINKRATZ said:
That’s fine and if his offense starts to decline after 7 years here too we can bitch about it then.
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We have been over this before. You seem to think we are automatically getting 2007 level Miles for some odd reason.
 
Duff Man said:
We have been over this before. You seem to think we are automatically getting 2007 level Miles for some odd reason.
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Wrong, I think we’re getting a guy who still averaged 9 wins a season in the “bad” years where everyone thinks he completely f**ked up their offenses. I’m not pretending he’s flawless or going to turn us into LSU and win national titles, but I do believe we’d be a respectable program again that has more talent and toughness than we have now and missing bowl games would become the anomaly, not the other way around.

There are very few examples in modern college football of coaches maintaining elite performance at one school for close to a decade. I’d like to get the next 4-6 years from a Les Miles with something to prove.
 
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