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Big12 Considering 1 Billion From Private Equity Investment Firm
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Do you believe that if CU got an invite to the B1G or SEC, they'd be able to consistently compete with Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon, USC, Penn State, Bama, Georgia, Texas, OU, LSU, etc?
So you don't believe VT would be able to compete for Big 12 championships?
No, I don't.
But more relevant to the specific hypothetical of the XII, I have no interest in CU and VT playing in the same conference.
Curious about your answer to why to both statements
To the latter, I feel almost as strongly about my CU fandom as my that for VT. I don't want them competing with other.
To the former, I'm probably being overly pessimistic. But we're discussing a situation where Tech joins along with other ACC schools
VT lacks BMDs to bring in the money to compete with UVA, FFS. Keeping up with real high value ACC schools seems a pipe dream, NM the money CU is going to bring in.
BerkeleyBuff
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Are you saying Va Tech wouldn't have the ability to compete in the Big XII?
The Big12 Conference is starting to look like a bad move for CU, and I think that Utah and Kansas feel the same way in this desperate attempt to make it work!
Those schools should hatch a plan to move to the B1G10 at a minimal share and come up with the money to bridge the TV Revenue if there is a deficit or only a partial share is available. Bring Arizona State along to complete the 4 state takeover of any remaining valuable properties in the Southwest.
Option A = Stay in the Allstate Conference, sign away any freedom we may have by taking conference blood money, lose ground to the others, likely lose Prime, and become a G5 program
Option B = Raise $500 Million by putting the Football Program into a creative Licensing Partnership Structure outside the AD, with Prime, SMAC, Robert Smith, and others creating the most high performing operation that can outduel almost every other conference or school in marketing, social media, sponsorships, etc. Prime may not Coach the Buffs forever, but having his fingerprints and all the other contacts and creativity he has, along with SMAC, and Robert Smith and his Vista Equity people is a lot more fruitful. I get that Robert Smith is in the PE game as well, but if the Colorado Football Corporation was run like an NFL franchise, like he wanted to do with the Broncos, it would be a LONG term play, so more of a passion investment, that would try and make money, but it would still have to pay the School a Licensing Fee, and Share Revenue with the players, so it could work
Those schools should hatch a plan to move to the B1G10 at a minimal share and come up with the money to bridge the TV Revenue if there is a deficit or only a partial share is available. Bring Arizona State along to complete the 4 state takeover of any remaining valuable properties in the Southwest.
Option A = Stay in the Allstate Conference, sign away any freedom we may have by taking conference blood money, lose ground to the others, likely lose Prime, and become a G5 program
Option B = Raise $500 Million by putting the Football Program into a creative Licensing Partnership Structure outside the AD, with Prime, SMAC, Robert Smith, and others creating the most high performing operation that can outduel almost every other conference or school in marketing, social media, sponsorships, etc. Prime may not Coach the Buffs forever, but having his fingerprints and all the other contacts and creativity he has, along with SMAC, and Robert Smith and his Vista Equity people is a lot more fruitful. I get that Robert Smith is in the PE game as well, but if the Colorado Football Corporation was run like an NFL franchise, like he wanted to do with the Broncos, it would be a LONG term play, so more of a passion investment, that would try and make money, but it would still have to pay the School a Licensing Fee, and Share Revenue with the players, so it could work
Fair enough. I guess I see the Big 12 as pretty wide open year to year, even with the additions of Miami, NCST, VT and Louisville, whereas VT as zero chance at competing in the current iteration of the ACC.
Oregon State and Wazzu are pretty f*****. They’d sell their collective left nuts for that All State money
They can have our spot, I am more convinced that just like Hokie said, you are either in or out
The conferences are killing me on having different business models, it is like the NFL and AFL, just get to-fukking-gether
Set standards, set a salary cap, make smart rules, fund yourselves properly, quit acting like Northwestern or Rutgers or Vanderbilt are what they are.
48 teams is a Premier League is the right number, the rest of the schools can create a really well designed Championship Division for another 32-48 teams
No answers on players, no answers on NIL, random bull**** about how Georgia and Ohio State are light years ahead of everyone
Clean this up
No. I was responding to the idea of them playing in a decimated ACC without the resources to be a program that could ever hope to make the playoffs and advance.
The "no VT to B12" is just a weird hokie idiosyncratic thing based on his subjective feelings. There's nothing to consider or debate there. VT could be a regular contender in the B12 when it had its sh!t together. Similar to CU.
If you are in a Conference together, you have 16 different agendas
In the past, you were likely on the same page as far as just scheduling games and having a championship game
With NIL, B1G10 and SEC breakaway, marketing, etc, you are not in anything TOGETHER anymore
Give me an equal seat at the 48-Program table with some real rules and let's see who wins
In the past, you were likely on the same page as far as just scheduling games and having a championship game
With NIL, B1G10 and SEC breakaway, marketing, etc, you are not in anything TOGETHER anymore
Give me an equal seat at the 48-Program table with some real rules and let's see who wins
Well, you have to admit, VT to the B12 sounds kind of Hokie.
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Some absolute wild statements being thrown out here
Have you heard that we are going to win by 50 against NDSU?
hawg1
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Yes. I understand your definition of “purchased talent”. I was just offering a possible alternative definition.
hawg1
Well-Known Member
What’s better? A team to realize extra income via a PE deal with a conference? Or a team directly doing a deal with a PE firm?
This article is good. Somebody is going to do it. Who is first?
sports.yahoo.com
This article is good. Somebody is going to do it. Who is first?
With college sports at critical juncture, private equity groups pushing for their piece
College administrators are bracing for the new reality of sharing revenue directly with athletes as part of the terms of the House settlement agreement.
sports.yahoo.com
Pretty hard thing to do if the BIG10 isn't looking at them.
BerkeleyBuff
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Compared to what? We had no other option.
Why worry about something that you can't control? If you want to be in control, go buy a Playstation 5 or Xbox Series X and a copy of EA Sports College Football 25 and enjoy the game.
I'm going to enjoy seeing some fresh opponents on the schedule this upcoming athletic season. I could not give two hoots what conference CU is in and I wouldn't change how I cheer for the Buffs if the Buffs were in the MWC or even the Big Sky.
If this upcoming athletic season was a movie, it'd be titled The Return Of The Assholes.
Moving to the Big12 was our only move last year, agreed, that is not what I am talking about, I am talking about the next 2-3 years of CFB evolution and our current window with Prime.
Things are changing at light speed today, more than it was even 12 months ago
My worry is that the greatest opportunity in CU Football History has the ability to go rocketing upwards or crashing to the ground
The Big12 is a weak conference, WE (CU) is the Last Program with a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP! Let that sink in, 1990 was the last time a current Big12 team has won a National Championship.
We have one of the brightest and best Sports Marketing people as our Head Coach, along with other very talented people around him, enough to form a strong operation.
We have a local Private Equity person that loves Football and loves what Prime is doing for these Athletes and wanted to buy the Broncos.
If we go along with the long term Big12 Plan, even though I really like Yormark and I love his energy, he has a bunch of 7's and 8's in his hand, and a few face cards.
The B1G10 may not have wanted us last year, but at this new inflection point, if CU fully establishes a massive commitment to CFB and an overall commitment to being very marketable in a valuable media market, then the B1G10's media masters will have no issue inviting us in.
Do we play along with the Big12's moves cause we like all the cute programs in there, or do we do what it sounds like Utah and Kansas are doing and make every effort to be the next invites to the big boys table, which is life or death to the program.
Things are changing at light speed today, more than it was even 12 months ago
My worry is that the greatest opportunity in CU Football History has the ability to go rocketing upwards or crashing to the ground
The Big12 is a weak conference, WE (CU) is the Last Program with a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP! Let that sink in, 1990 was the last time a current Big12 team has won a National Championship.
We have one of the brightest and best Sports Marketing people as our Head Coach, along with other very talented people around him, enough to form a strong operation.
We have a local Private Equity person that loves Football and loves what Prime is doing for these Athletes and wanted to buy the Broncos.
If we go along with the long term Big12 Plan, even though I really like Yormark and I love his energy, he has a bunch of 7's and 8's in his hand, and a few face cards.
The B1G10 may not have wanted us last year, but at this new inflection point, if CU fully establishes a massive commitment to CFB and an overall commitment to being very marketable in a valuable media market, then the B1G10's media masters will have no issue inviting us in.
Do we play along with the Big12's moves cause we like all the cute programs in there, or do we do what it sounds like Utah and Kansas are doing and make every effort to be the next invites to the big boys table, which is life or death to the program.
Neither the B1G or SEC are inviting CU based on Deion Sanders being the HC, when Fox and ESPN have the rights to all of CU's games right now at a fraction of the cost that they would potentially have to pay for CU inventory in the B1G or SEC.
I think there's a small outside chance of the networks looking at the CU vs Nebraska ratings and wanting that game on the schedule every year, along with matchups with the other top programs like Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, etc (or many of the SEC programs) because a Prime-led CU program playing one of those schools is likely to be a 10m+ viewer game. In that scenario, I could see CU being offered a smaller share, but Fox/CBS/NBC would have to deal with ESPN not wanting to lose CU and vice versa.
The only realistic shot CU has at getting the invite, IMO, is if the P2 are forced to consolidate into one league and expand to 48+ programs.
Excellent perspective
Prime-led CU has a chance, non-Prime-led CU is dead meat
If Prime leaves, where would CU go to even try and maintain relevance with the AD we have?
CU outdrew the middle and lower teams from the B1G and SEC easily, nobody watches the lower halves of those conferences at all
That's exactly the problem. Only one fanbase believes Prime is going to be at CU beyond 2024, and the networks (who are pulling the expansion strings) aren't going to add CU to their premier conferences solely due to the HC being the attraction.
I believe CU has brand power if it can start winning consistently. It's a flagship University with one of the best and most iconic traditions in all of sports, with a Heisman and Natty to it's name. Prime is reinventing the brand, but it has to be viewed as having staying power in the Post-Prime era.
I was thinking about how NFL and College differ in the fact that Colleges hire coaches, give them total reign over the program, and those coaches can either build a winner with good people, and you can go on a sustained winning era, or you can hire Cardboard idiots and your entire operation and perception are destroyed. The NFL at least has an Ownership that can set the tone for success and hire good people and build a great infrastructure, and strive to build a winning organization. Both are challenging, but I feel College is the most risky option because you give so much power to a coach that can leave on a moments notice, and then you are at zero, and with players now able to leave, you could lose your entire team. So, my pitch to Prime right now is that he can be the Pat Bowlen of Colorado Football, and thus whether he is coaching, or he is the CEO, he technically cannot leave CU, even though maybe he does not stick as the coach, but he can sure keep the brand building, the hype, the energy going at CU as his franchise. Otherwise, considering the past 20 years before Prime, we are not prepared, qualified, or capable of putting CU back into a prominent place. It is very full of RISK, but right now the reward has been off the charts.
BerkeleyBuff
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1. That's an enormous if
2. The rest is only your belief, one we all hope is true, but may or may not have any bearing on reality.