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Bowl Games (other than ours) and associated silliness 2024 Plus the Playoffs
- Thread starter MtnBuff
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Which is fine. Bama bitching because they got left out entirely because they got throttled by Oklahoma remains hilarious.
I doubt it. How many blowouts have we seen with the four team system or even the top two prior to that? It doesn’t change the arguments year over year
Like the pick 6 he just threw
I feel like that's the point I've been trying to make all along. It's all about perception, brands and giving the team with the superior status (and that's being a SEC or B1G team) and less so about the actual on field performance or the actual strength of your schedule and how good those teams really were. I think they got it right by taking SMU over Alabama, but the people need to change their thinking and that thinking is SEC/B1G >>>>> everyone else when an argument can be made. And an argument can be made in many cases.
A win against a name P2 school will matter more than a win against "lesser" brand from another conference. 11-1 against a B1G schedule will in most cases get the benefit of the doubt over anyone else. You might disagree but I think that to a large part that's the reaility we live in.
We have gone over this issue before.
One of the appeals of college football has always been that you could argue that the champion was the team that was best that year, over the course of the year.
It is very hard to argue that a team with 3 losses, even to good teams, is the best that year.
The comparison is to the NFL model which makes no pretenses of worrying about who was best in the regular season. The regular season is about getting into the playoff and positioning yourself for homefield advantage. Thus you end up with teams that were a 6th seed wild card winning the Super Bowl, like the Giants team that beat the Patriots team that had gone undefeated through the regular season.
In my mind it is hard to justify a 2 loss team playing for the NC much less one with 3. Just cheapens the whole thing.
Robert Sorell
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Who is the 10-2 team feeling left out though? Ole MIss and Bama are 9-3.
The 10-2 P4 crowd is Miami and BYU, plus Iowa State before the CCG.
Depending how this weekend plays out I am also curious about the discussion of a possible 16 team playoff. Ultimately I think that given the current landscape there are only 6-7 teams in the country at most that can make an argument that they're the best team in the country that should win the title and maybe that number is gonna grow with time (although I doubt it) but ultimately I think the 12 team playoff is gonna solve nothing and only further solidify the status of a handful of bluebloods by giving them the safety net of a bigger chance of getting the national exposure and revenue that comes with a playoff apperance even if they have an "off" season and lose a game or two that they couldn't afford to lose under the old system.
I was using a hypothetical. I don’t remember what the resumes were for Miami and BYU, but I don’t remember much of an argument for either of them over Bama and/or Ole Miss.
Robert Sorell
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I think this image captures Herbstreit pretty well
Like his buddy, he's generally likable, probably not very bright, has a "job" that he does OK, and is just pleasant to be around.
Welp….
Robert Sorell
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JFC Jennings, we want a decent game to watch.
SMU should be up 7-0 right now.
SMU should be up 7-0 right now.
I find the "who should be in, who should be out" arguments tiresome.
The only reason we have this is because we were always pissed off that we didn't have a "true champion". If you can't get into the top 12, you're incapable of winning the championship, so **** you and shut up.
The only reason we have this is because we were always pissed off that we didn't have a "true champion". If you can't get into the top 12, you're incapable of winning the championship, so **** you and shut up.
Yikes. I can’t recall a game with one guy responsible for a 21 point swing in a half.
Yeah, that was awful.
Robert Sorell
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The 3 times I've watched SMU and hear Jennings I think of this guy
This game has me thinking more of this guy:
This game has me thinking more of this guy:
Harsh
I don’t really care for the argument of “only 5-6 teams have a realistic shot” when discussing the playoff. It’s not about that, IMO, it’s about entertainment value and having more great matchups and meaningful games and giving a path to more teams.
End of the day, if we stayed at 4 team CFP, last nights game and this game would still likely happen but it would be an exhibition game called “The Orange Bowl” (or Rose/Sugar/Cotton/Peach/etc). So what’s the difference? Might as well make the NY6 bowl game matchups mean something in a tournament format.
I think we’re also going to get 16 team CFP. Probably 4 B1G and SEC autobids each, Big 12 and ACC get 2 autobids each and then 4 at large.
I see your point and I largely agree that a playoff system is an unfair way to determine a "true champion" as, as you say, it's all about getting there and once you are there everyone starts at zero and it's essentially all about how you perform in a 5-6 week window, especially in a single elimination format. I think it should be a marathon and not sprint (and that's part of the reason why I value league titles in soccer highly as I think the league is the bread and butter and the best teams proves itself from August to May and not just at the end of the season) but I also realise that there presumably will never be a truly fair to determine a national champion in college (or even the NFL) as it'd take at least 20+ games plus the US audience is too conditioned for a playoff format also because it creates more drama and revenue than a league format.