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CUAviator said:
A lot of revisionist history and there’s no way to make a counterfactual argument about how it would have turned out if he were still in the game, but let’s just say I’m glad he wasn’t.
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It's not revisionist history to point out that AM had 25 yards rushing in the second when we're talking about the defensive adjustments to AM running the ball.

Of course there's no way of knowing what would have happened if AM hadn't gotten hurt, but it is fair to point out that he would have been facing 1st and 20, the same as Bunch did. It's also fair to point out that Bunch played extremely well in relief of AM.

Husker fans are pushing the narrative that AM getting hurt was the difference in the game, but the statistical analysis and momentum in the second half makes that a murky argument at best.
 
Alfred91 said:
It's not revisionist history to point out that AM had 25 yards rushing in the second when we're talking about the defensive adjustments to AM running the ball.

Of course there's no way of knowing what would have happened if AM hadn't gotten hurt, but it is fair to point out that he would have been facing 1st and 20, the same as Bunch did. It's also fair to point out that Bunch played extremely well in relief of AM.

Husker fans are pushing the narrative that AM getting hurt was the difference in the game, but the statistical analysis and momentum in the second half makes that a murky argument at best.
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But back to the running qb issues - I think that last drive would have been totoally different. We knew Bunch wasn’t going to run, so we were able to play a lot more straight up pass defense. With Martinez, I think they probably could have gotten a little more creative and it would have given us a few more fits.
 
Trogdor said:
UCLA has 6 scholarship linemen, think about that. Oh yeah, and a true freshman backup QB is their starter. This isn't a Kelly issue, yet, this is yet another example of the absolute disaster of a roster that Mora had created.
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The comments earlier in the thread on the culture are relevant too. I've thought that locker room was on the edge of imploding for the majority of the last four years.

Somehow Mora kept the team somewhat together the whole time, which is worth something. I mean, not much, but keeping that entitled bunch from imploding before this is not something just anyone can do.

But, the bottom line is that Chip has a full on dumpster fire on his hands right now. He's never put one of those out before, we'll see if he succeeds.

I suspect he'll piss everyone off and get fired about halfway through his third losing season.
 
Alfred91 said:
It's not revisionist history to point out that AM had 25 yards rushing in the second when we're talking about the defensive adjustments to AM running the ball.

Of course there's no way of knowing what would have happened if AM hadn't gotten hurt, but it is fair to point out that he would have been facing 1st and 20, the same as Bunch did. It's also fair to point out that Bunch played extremely well in relief of AM.

Husker fans are pushing the narrative that AM getting hurt was the difference in the game, but the statistical analysis and momentum in the second half makes that a murky argument at best.
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It doesn't even matter, this stuff is for the birds. In a few weeks nobody outside Boulder or Lincoln will even remember, and nobody inside Lincoln matters. This is football. **** happens, win or don't win. Nobody nationally is up in arms about the Oregon State kicker getting roughed on the last play of the game with no flag. There's no dull to the shine of the Buffs beating the nubs in Lincoln because their QB got hurt.
 
skibum said:
The comments earlier in the thread on the culture are relevant too. I've thought that locker room was on the edge of imploding for the majority of the last four years.

Somehow Mora kept the team somewhat together the whole time, which is worth something. I mean, not much, but keeping that entitled bunch from imploding before this is not something just anyone can do.

But, the bottom line is that Chip has a full on dumpster fire on his hands right now. He's never put one of those out before, we'll see if he succeeds.

I suspect he'll piss everyone off and get fired about halfway through his third losing season.
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True frosh center, true frosh QB, converted DL starting at RT. Reasons are different than excuses. There are reasons UCLA won't be favored in a single remaining game, and the #1 reason is Jim Mora Jr.
 
onealcd said:
If WSU goes into the Coliseum and wins this week that team will crumble IMO. Then they have to play us and Utah in back to back weeks which will be tough.

If Arizona loses at OSU this week, which is totally possible with the way they have been playing, they will probably lose 7 of their next 8 going into their rivalry game with ASU.

Utah has it pretty rough since they get Stanford, Oregon and Washington from the North so they could be pretty beat up but they do get USC at home.
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Don't forget they travel to Tucson for a 8:30 pm game. Could that be the one that gets UA going?

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skibum said:
The comments earlier in the thread on the culture are relevant too. I've thought that locker room was on the edge of imploding for the majority of the last four years.

Somehow Mora kept the team somewhat together the whole time, which is worth something. I mean, not much, but keeping that entitled bunch from imploding before this is not something just anyone can do.

But, the bottom line is that Chip has a full on dumpster fire on his hands right now. He's never put one of those out before, we'll see if he succeeds.

I suspect he'll piss everyone off and get fired about halfway through his third losing season.
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They fire the Oregon coach or he leaves, would they fight to get Chip back up there?
 
I think if we make any noise this year it will be on the merits of the defense.

The offense has been hit or miss and the offensive line has been average to bad this year. What I think many of us have overlooked is just how much the defensive line, and defense as a whole has improved from 2017. I'm really impressed at just how much speed we have all over the field on that side of the ball.
 
skibum said:
The comments earlier in the thread on the culture are relevant too. I've thought that locker room was on the edge of imploding for the majority of the last four years.

Somehow Mora kept the team somewhat together the whole time, which is worth something. I mean, not much, but keeping that entitled bunch from imploding before this is not something just anyone can do.

But, the bottom line is that Chip has a full on dumpster fire on his hands right now. He's never put one of those out before, we'll see if he succeeds.

I suspect he'll piss everyone off and get fired about halfway through his third losing season.
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Mora recruited all of those assholes. I thought they were the dirtiest, laziest bunch of no-tries we have played the last two years.
 
B_Walk said:
I think if we make any noise this year it will be on the merits of the defense.

The offense has been hit or miss and the offensive line has been average to bad this year. What I think many of us have overlooked is just how much the defensive line, and defense as a whole has improved from 2017. I'm really impressed at just how much speed we have all over the field on that side of the ball.
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I think you are underselling Shinault's talent. He's literally once touch away from scoring at any time. CU will score points this season.
 
skibum said:
The comments earlier in the thread on the culture are relevant too. I've thought that locker room was on the edge of imploding for the majority of the last four years.

Somehow Mora kept the team somewhat together the whole time, which is worth something. I mean, not much, but keeping that entitled bunch from imploding before this is not something just anyone can do.

But, the bottom line is that Chip has a full on dumpster fire on his hands right now. He's never put one of those out before, we'll see if he succeeds.

I suspect he'll piss everyone off and get fired about halfway through his third losing season.
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IIRC, I think Kelly released a handful of players when he took over...essentially said GTFO. That would not create a positive culture.
 
How much rope does Chip have there? Does he get fed up with the politics of his position before the UCLA AD gets fed up with him?
 
Buffnik said:
Yep. The UC system, and particularly UCLA, has always underpaid market value for head coaches. They stepped up very big to land Chip and are not going to be paying a buyout while making a new hire if there is any way they can help it. The failure would have to be spectacular over 3 years for them to even consider firing him.
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Let's also keep in mind that they have a basketball coach they're going to have to get rid of at some point as well......
 
Man, people need to relax on chip. Didn't anyone read the reports out of camp about all the attrition during the offseason, an alarming lack of upperclassmen and the loss of a 1 round draft pick at QB?
 
onealcd said:
Man, people need to relax on chip. Didn't anyone read the reports out of camp about all the attrition during the offseason, an alarming lack of upperclassmen and the loss of a 1 round draft pick at QB?
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Yeah, the loss of Rosen obviously hurts some, but it's not like Rosen was a Heisman candidate or even dominant player. Also, pretty open speculation about the attrition being directly due to Chip and his personality conflicts or not thinking players were a fit for his scheme. You now have player's parents publicly ripping him and an 0-3 start... Pretty indefensible at this moment, IMO.
 
TSchekler said:
Yeah, the loss of Rosen obviously hurts some, but it's not like Rosen was a Heisman candidate or even dominant player. Also, pretty open speculation about the attrition being directly due to Chip and his personality conflicts or not thinking players were a fit for his scheme. You now have player's parents publicly ripping him and an 0-3 start... Pretty indefensible at this moment, IMO.
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Umm, what? UCLA had one of the best offenses in the country last year and that was in large part due to Rosen since he was dealing with a sub par offensive line again. He was a flat out stud and carried them to a bowl game while overcoming one of the worst rush defenses in Pac-12 history.

I am sure some of that attrition was due to his personality but I think almost everyone on this board has commented on how soft those players at UCLA were under Mora, how cheap they were and undisciplined. That program was in really rough shape with the culture, graduation and a transition to another coach. There is one parent calling out Chip so I wouldn't say that is indefensible. As we saw last year with Sparaco, there are just some kids and parents who are going to be that way and Chip did a good job handling it with the media.
 
onealcd said:
Umm, what? UCLA had one of the best offenses in the country last year and that was in large part due to Rosen since he was dealing with a sub par offensive line again. He was a flat out stud and carried them to a bowl game while overcoming one of the worst rush defenses in Pac-12 history.

I am sure some of that attrition was due to his personality but I think almost everyone on this board has commented on how soft those players at UCLA were under Mora, how cheap they were and undisciplined. That program was in really rough shape with the culture, graduation and a transition to another coach. There is one parent calling out Chip so I wouldn't say that is indefensible. As we saw last year with Sparaco, there are just some kids and parents who are going to be that way and Chip did a good job handling it with the media.
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Yup. UCLA graded out as the #15 offense LY.
 
onealcd said:
Umm, what? UCLA had one of the best offenses in the country last year and that was in large part due to Rosen since he was dealing with a sub par offensive line again. He was a flat out stud and carried them to a bowl game while overcoming one of the worst rush defenses in Pac-12 history.

I am sure some of that attrition was due to his personality but I think almost everyone on this board has commented on how soft those players at UCLA were under Mora, how cheap they were and undisciplined. That program was in really rough shape with the culture, graduation and a transition to another coach. There is one parent calling out Chip so I wouldn't say that is indefensible. As we saw last year with Sparaco, there are just some kids and parents who are going to be that way and Chip did a good job handling it with the media.
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Fair enough, I guess I'm just bias against UCLA due to having an NFL QB and ridiculous amount of star talent throughout the past few years and their relative underperformance. Everything about that program seems like a dumpster fire right now. Attrition, whether because players were soft or not was due to Kelly. One parent, especially that of the starting QB, publicly calling out a high profile coach 3 games into the season when the team is 0-3 is not a nothingburger.

At the end of the day, he will need some time to get his guys in to fit his system, but it's yet to see if Chip Kelly can actually start a program from scratch and build it into a contender. He took over a well oiled machine at Oregon, built on what was already there and the blank check Phil Knight threw at him. Oh and there's this amazing way to completely embarrass and lose the lockerroom...
 
TSchekler said:
Yeah, the loss of Rosen obviously hurts some, but it's not like Rosen was a Heisman candidate or even dominant player. Also, pretty open speculation about the attrition being directly due to Chip and his personality conflicts or not thinking players were a fit for his scheme. You now have player's parents publicly ripping him and an 0-3 start... Pretty indefensible at this moment, IMO.
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Plus, it was like Modster never had a chance even though he'd been groomed last season and filled in for Rosen a lot. Speight was brought in as a grad transfer and then it was straight to Thompson-Robinson after he got hurt. That may have done a bit to fracture the locker room after a coaching change. Sends a clear message on who are Chip's guys and who are not his guys. Compounds the fact that he's playing a crazy number of true freshmen despite the highly recruited talent that is older and was already on the roster.
 
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