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BYU Game thread. Official.

The difference with those guys you just mentioned, is they are all sitting/sat because there is/was a true #1. Lagway, Russel, and Longstreet would be starting for CU at this point as freshman. Arch was not ready as a frosh.

Sayin I think is a good player comp to Juju. Both a bit undersized, but I do not think Juju has nearly the arm talent that Sayin possesses.
Juju arm talent is legit.
 
The difference with those guys you just mentioned, is they are all sitting/sat because there is/was a true #1. Lagway, Russel, and Longstreet would be starting for CU at this point as freshman. Arch was not ready as a frosh.

Sayin I think is a good player comp to Juju. Both a bit undersized, but I do not think Juju has nearly the arm talent that Sayin possesses.
What did you see in terms of Sayin's arm strength? I watched all the OSU games and I rarely see any downhill pass from him. I don't think the OSU OC trust his downhill accuracy at all.
 
I view him as a frontrunner personality. Dynamic and at his best when things are clicking and he's winning. Not the same guy when faced with pressure and adversity.

If that's unfair and he proves me wrong the rest of the season, I will gladly apologize and eat my crow.
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bruhThe difference with those guys you just mentioned, is they are all sitting/sat because there is/was a true #1. Lagway, Russel, and Longstreet would be starting for CU at this point as freshman. Arch was not ready as a frosh.

Sayin I think is a good player comp to Juju. Both a bit undersized, but I do not think Juju has nearly the arm talent that Sayin possesses.
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K-State will likely be playing for a bowl bid on Senior Day. They will dismember us. Sorry.
You have to be assuming that kstate will win @baylor, @kansas and @okiestate. I’ll give you okie state but Baylor and Kansas are toss ups. If they don’t win all three of those games they won’t be playing for a bowl game because they aren’t beating TCU, Texas Tech or Utah. Thus I’d give KState only slightly better odds than CU of fighting for a bowl at year end. They’ve looked miserable most times this year. The only game they looked good in was UCF. Remember they lost to Army, looked like crap losing to Iowa State, looked frightened winning against North Dakota and really shouldn’t have been in the game losing to Arizona.
 
What did you see in terms of Sayin's arm strength? I watched all the OSU games and I rarely see any downhill pass from him. I don't think the OSU OC trust his downhill accuracy at all.
That's Sayin's M.O... His lack of size is made up by his ability to spin it. Like they mentioned on the broadcast: ‘Off the bus, your first thought is what band instrument does that guy play?… until you see him throw a football.'
 
You must've missed the part where I said, "he does not know how to play QB" but you were probably too busy fanboying over Juju's 247 page
Let’s not go overboard on downplaying Juju. He was the #1 QB prospect until he reclassified and dropped to like QB2/3. Then he committed to CU and they took a star and dropped him to QB10. He also went into 6A Georgia football as a true freshman and dominated for 3 years.
 
Let’s not go overboard on downplaying Juju. He was the #1 QB prospect until he reclassified and dropped to like QB2/3. Then he committed to CU and they took a star and dropped him to QB10. He also went into 6A Georgia football as a true freshman and dominated for 3 years.
CU fans have a strange love downplaying guys. Travis was at once, Shedeur, and now Juju. I blame Tcal for this stupidity among our base
 
You have to be assuming that kstate will win @baylor, @kansas and @okiestate. I’ll give you okie state but Baylor and Kansas are toss ups. If they don’t win all three of those games they won’t be playing for a bowl game because they aren’t beating TCU, Texas Tech or Utah. Thus I’d give KState only slightly better odds than CU of fighting for a bowl at year end. They’ve looked miserable most times this year. The only game they looked good in was UCF. Remember they lost to Army, looked like crap losing to Iowa State, looked frightened winning against North Dakota and really shouldn’t have been in the game losing to Arizona.
They have a running QB and a good coaching staff. They also came into Folsom last year and beat our best team in 20 years. You sure you want to ride or die with us in Manhattan?
 
I will say that Prime has to start taking some risks with his decisions. Have to start going for it on 4th down and short even if from mid field. Have to start letting Buchanan get some long FG opportunities.

TCU and ISU have to pull out all the stops. Surprise onside kicks, trick plays, cover 0 blitzes, 4th down attempts. Have to leave it all on the table these next two weeks
 
Just finished watching the All 22 and ONE GIGANTIC thing stands out:
SALTER CANNOT GET TO A 2ND READ. Like ever. Never never never. Watch the 1st two drives and every single play call is designed to be a single read throw. If the called throw isn't there, he scrambles or takes off. He never once makes it to the next read.

In the 2nd half, BYU tightened up coverage and 90% of the time the called 1st read throw was covered. And Salter IMPLODED.

Same goes for our RPO runs where there is only one option for him - keep. The mesh is a formality. He never once gives the ball to the RB on a read.

I knew they were dumbing down the playbook, but holy sh!t. They have no trust in him to actually PLAY QB.
 
Just finished watching the All 22 and ONE GIGANTIC thing stands out:
SALTER CANNOT GET TO A 2ND READ. Like ever. Never never never. Watch the 1st two drives and every single play call is designed to be a single read throw. If the called throw isn't there, he scrambles or takes off. He never once makes it to the next read.

In the 2nd half, BYU tightened up coverage and 90% of the time the called 1st read throw was covered. And Salter IMPLODED.

Same goes for our RPO runs where there is only one option for him - keep. The mesh is a formality. He never once gives the ball to the RB on a read.

I knew they were dumbing down the playbook, but holy sh!t. They have no trust in him to actually PLAY QB.
If I was his OC, I would feel I had to coach it by being in his ear as long as possible presnap every play saying things like, "If Omarion is open on the 12-yard out, throw it there. If he's too tightly covered, tuck it and run."
 
Just finished watching the All 22 and ONE GIGANTIC thing stands out:
SALTER CANNOT GET TO A 2ND READ. Like ever. Never never never. Watch the 1st two drives and every single play call is designed to be a single read throw. If the called throw isn't there, he scrambles or takes off. He never once makes it to the next read.

In the 2nd half, BYU tightened up coverage and 90% of the time the called 1st read throw was covered. And Salter IMPLODED.

Same goes for our RPO runs where there is only one option for him - keep. The mesh is a formality. He never once gives the ball to the RB on a read.

I knew they were dumbing down the playbook, but holy sh!t. They have no trust in him to actually PLAY QB.
This

Did you take my post above and apply ChatGPT? Lol
 
Just finished watching the All 22 and ONE GIGANTIC thing stands out:
SALTER CANNOT GET TO A 2ND READ. Like ever. Never never never. Watch the 1st two drives and every single play call is designed to be a single read throw. If the called throw isn't there, he scrambles or takes off. He never once makes it to the next read.

In the 2nd half, BYU tightened up coverage and 90% of the time the called 1st read throw was covered. And Salter IMPLODED.

Same goes for our RPO runs where there is only one option for him - keep. The mesh is a formality. He never once gives the ball to the RB on a read.

I knew they were dumbing down the playbook, but holy sh!t. They have no trust in him to actually PLAY QB.
I literally said this a couple pages ago. He wants to play football, not QB.

I hear people say run the option. 🤣, he's worse at that than Shedeur. He literally can only run when the defense turns their back. Haynes King is great as an option QB. Salter is a dual threat but if the 1st read is gone, he just stinks. He wants you to play aggressive as he will make you pay but if you are conservative, you can make him pay

21 points with Salter is a miracle. He actually overachieved

One negative on Pat is he should have continue to spam wildcat Dre
 
He actually has excellent pocket presence unlike Shedeur but Shedeur had an excellent pocket awareness and Kaidon is like a high schooler with his pocket awareness.

BYU was struggling at first due to Kaidon pocket presence. Once they realize he can't stand in the pocket long without getting ants in his pants as he can't read defenses, they killed him for his lack of pocket awareness. With Shedeur you want him under pressure and you want him not improvising and scrambling. You want to force him to carry the team with his legs in particular. Whereas with Kaidon, force him to do his job, he can't do it. He wants to play football, not play QB.
I don’t know what “pocket presence” is if it’s not “pocket awareness.”
 
I don’t know what “pocket presence” is if it’s not “pocket awareness.”
Pocket presence is you have a strong feel of pass rush. These players are rarely sacked in the pocket. They generally are extremely difficult to put pressure on. The opposite usually gets a lot of sacks.

Pocket awareness is you have a great feel for the pocket. You know what's going on around you and you own the pocket regardless if it's clean or dirty. The QBs who have excellent or better pocket awareness tend to be extremely productive passers. The opposite tend to be guys who aren't productive as passers and they constantly bail from clean pockets.

Generally, stats can tell you if someone has tremendous pocket awareness or pocket presence. Someone like Mahomes who has elite pocket presence. You see it in his stats but you also see the pocket awareness. That's what everyone wants. Guys with both. Guys with neither just don't make it in college football and most guys tend to be decent at best at it at both like Staub for example. Then you got guys like Shedeur and Salter who are opposites. While I do think Shedeur has a stronger feel for the pass rush than Salter pocket awareness, Shedeur when he feels he has to carry a team, he can regress and do more harm than good. I don't feel that way with Salter. I just think Salter is more of a football player than a QB.
 
Just finished watching the All 22 and ONE GIGANTIC thing stands out:
SALTER CANNOT GET TO A 2ND READ. Like ever. Never never never. Watch the 1st two drives and every single play call is designed to be a single read throw. If the called throw isn't there, he scrambles or takes off. He never once makes it to the next read.

In the 2nd half, BYU tightened up coverage and 90% of the time the called 1st read throw was covered. And Salter IMPLODED.

Same goes for our RPO runs where there is only one option for him - keep. The mesh is a formality. He never once gives the ball to the RB on a read.

I knew they were dumbing down the playbook, but holy sh!t. They have no trust in him to actually PLAY QB.
Thanks for the time you spent and summary analysis. I can rarely bring myself to rewatch losses.

This has been my concern with Salter for a while, and it tracks from his downward trajectory at Liberty: once good DC’s see and break down his play (and lack of ability to read)… there are very basic adjustments to limit his effectiveness.

I also don’t think I’ve ever seen him call an audible that improved the play—if he’s even called more than a few.

I think he covers the ear-holes of his helmet because PS is trying to explain basic football to him before each play.
 
Pocket presence is you have a strong feel of pass rush. These players are rarely sacked in the pocket. They generally are extremely difficult to put pressure on. The opposite usually gets a lot of sacks.

Pocket awareness is you have a great feel for the pocket. You know what's going on around you and you own the pocket regardless if it's clean or dirty. The QBs who have excellent or better pocket awareness tend to be extremely productive passers. The opposite tend to be guys who aren't productive as passers and they constantly bail from clean pockets.

Generally, stats can tell you if someone has tremendous pocket awareness or pocket presence. Someone like Mahomes who has elite pocket presence. You see it in his stats but you also see the pocket awareness. That's what everyone wants. Guys with both. Guys with neither just don't make it in college football and most guys tend to be decent at best at it at both like Staub for example. Then you got guys like Shedeur and Salter who are opposites. While I do think Shedeur has a stronger feel for the pass rush than Salter pocket awareness, Shedeur when he feels he has to carry a team, he can regress and do more harm than good. I don't feel that way with Salter. I just think Salter is more of a football player than a QB.
“Pocket presence is you have a strong feel of pass rush.” “Pocket awareness is you have a great feel for the pocket.”

Hmmm.
 
Thanks for the time you spent and summary analysis. I can rarely bring myself to rewatch losses.

This has been my concern with Salter for a while, and it tracks from his downward trajectory at Liberty: once good DC’s see and break down his play (and lack of ability to read)… there are very basic adjustments to limit his effectiveness.

I also don’t think I’ve ever seen him call an audible that improved the play—if he’s even called more than a few.

I think he covers the ear-holes of his helmet because PS is trying to explain basic football to him before each play.
Prime seems to get it with Salter. He's been trying to get him to stop questioning himself and to decisively react to what he sees. I think this is the right approach. I'd rather Salter just be an athlete instead of overthinking things. If he is aggressive and comes with authority, even if he's wrong that's still better than him being timid or indecisive.
 
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