I appreciate that comment from a quality assholesken.
AllBuffs | Unofficial fan site for the University of Colorado at Boulder Athletics programs
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
-
Prime Time. Prime Time. Its a new era for Colorado football. Consider signing up for a club membership! For $20/year, you can get access to all the special features at Allbuffs, including club member only forums, dark mode, avatars and best of all no ads ! But seriously, please sign up so that we can pay the bills. No one earns money here, and we can use your $20 to keep this hellhole running. You can sign up for a club membership by navigating to your account in the upper right and clicking on "Account Upgrades". Make it happen!
Can you win consistently in Boulder?
- Thread starter seattlebuff
- Start date
King_George_XXIV_Rules
Well-Known Member
Teams like USC and Washington seem to be able to consistently win in Boulder, so why not CU too?
JWP303
Well-Known Member
Being a Buff fan is like investing in a ponzi scheme... Hat tip to you guys who remain diehards - I still love the Buffs and always will, but I don't get as emotionally invested as I used to for my own well being.
To answer your question - the answer is clearly no. The McCartney era was an aberration.
To answer your question - the answer is clearly no. The McCartney era was an aberration.
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
Lol I hope you never leave us-you're too much fun. 33-28
Clearly someone who has absolutely no idea about the true history of the program.
It's amazing to me how many people think CU football's history prior to Fairbanks was ****. And then Fairbanks was even ****tier. And then McCartney took us places the program had never been.
He took us exactly two places we had never been: a national championship and a heisman.
Our history is littered with conference championships, heisman finalists, all-americans, top 10 rankings, etc, etc.
But nope, none of that ever happened.
There was one single coach for about 10 years, and that's all CU has ever done.
Ignorant morons.
JWP303
Well-Known Member
I am well versed in the program's history. We are in a different era now.
The question was about winning - we haven't done that consistently for 2 decades now. Just a **** ton of misery... But by all means, go on with your lecture...
If you're aware of the history, then you know that the last 20 years are an aberration - NOT the McCartney era.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. The last 12 years have been the aberration, not the last 20. Let’s not group the Barnett years I’m with the abominations that were the Hawkins, Embree and 5/6 MM years.
JWP303
Well-Known Member
We have 1 national championship in 100+ years of existence. We have 1 conference championship in the last 25+ years... We have a sub-.500 bowl record.
Forgive me for venting a tiny ****ing bit... Now let's get back to the delusional homer takes that I seem to have interrupted.
Ooooh, I enjoy your love too!!
49-19-2
Last edited:
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
You can go jack off to 1995 reruns now.
33-28
Glad your living the dream.
Glenbuff95
Full grown idot
In regards to fan support/revenue, I think something needs to be said about the media and the sports marketing department. CU needs to do a 180 with their marketing of the team and working with local media throughout the state to push for CU as the states team. I live in Dallas now and the marketing/merchandise for Texas teams is night and day. You don't have to spend a bunch of money to bring back some of the prestige of CU football. It just needs to be presented differently and not half a**ed. CU does a terrible job reaching out to the rest of the state outside of Boulder. Increase interest, Increase advertising, Put Laviska up all over the place.
I disagree with all the comments that fan support has nothing to do with the lack of success at CU. It absolutely does,the cringe worthy Pearl st. parade looks bad, the half empty stadium looks bad, of course that affects the team on game day. I get that the team needs to win before the crowds come back. That said, you don't see that at other programs. Somehow they need to instill a fan friendly culture where people come to games regardless.
I disagree with all the comments that fan support has nothing to do with the lack of success at CU. It absolutely does,the cringe worthy Pearl st. parade looks bad, the half empty stadium looks bad, of course that affects the team on game day. I get that the team needs to win before the crowds come back. That said, you don't see that at other programs. Somehow they need to instill a fan friendly culture where people come to games regardless.
Win % over history of program, and the 5 year moving average:
Tell me, what eras are aberrations?
Listen, we're not going to be a "we win a national championship once or twice a decade" type of team. Ever.
Absolutely no one is expecting that, so quit trying to pretend that people like that exist.
8-4, 9-3 type seasons with the occasional 10-11 win season and occasional losing season thrown in OTOH are what we can, and should expect.
Quit feeding this ****-stick, Skibum. This is what the ignore tab is for.
Just living in the present
Mb2658
Well-Known Member
FIFY
Quick. Historically, would you rank Oregon or CU higher? How about Wisconsin? Or maybe Virginia Tech? How about Missouri or Ok State or Mississippi State?
JWP303
Well-Known Member
I mean, are we really resting on our laurels from the 1800s and the turn of the century?
That's great that you have defined your fandom with those guardrails... Me? I'd like to win a national championship at some point in my lifetime.
Anyway - I'm in my mid-thirties. This team has arguably brought me more misery than joy in my lifetime. I'm not going to gloss over being turned into a jaded cynic by the results I've witnessed from this program. I still pay my money and support the team in a constructive way, I still bleed black & gold just like you... I'd love for the next coach to go on a run and prove me wrong... I don't see why you're so threatened by me injecting a tiny bit of realism into this conversation.
JWP303
Well-Known Member
I understand your point - but are we talking about getting extra prestige stars in NCAA Football '14 or are we talking about winning games right now?
We have a proud history - but we shouldn't pretend like this extended down period hasn't been rough or that it's a foregone conclusion that we'll return to glory. We've been waiting a hell of a long time now to turn this corner... I'm just not as glass half full as you guys, that's all.
The point is that you can win at CU. You can do it consistently. There is a reason CU is a top 25 all time winning program in Division 1. Now, the past 15 years or so have been really really hard. No question. It all hinges on having the right leadership in the AD and at the university level. I believe we have the right leadership in the AD. I think Benson finally saw the light when it came to athletics, but a little too late in his tenure. The upcoming presidential hire is very very important.
CU now has the facilities. We are in a pretty soft division. We have the donor commitment. We have the university support (for now, and hopefully into the future). We just need the right head coach.
It completely depends on how you define "winning consistently". If that's 6+ wins every year, then yes obviously CU can and should be there. If it's 7-9 wins every year, then yes, I think that can and should be done every year. If you're talking about 10+ wins every year, then no, I don't think that's reasonable. I do believe CU can be a 10+ win team every 2-3 years, though.
CU should be in the 8-10 win range consistently. I agree that 10+ is more rare, and that is fine. We play in a P5 conference with more conference games then other conferences. It is harder here. We should easily be in the south division champ conversation more often than not, that gives us a shot to being a conference champ and potential to jump into the playoff.
I just don't understand how anyone can say CU can't win at that level again when Mike MacIntyre had this team one win away from being in the conversation for the top 4 (deservedly not because they were the "best", hawg). Now, as it turned out, MM's best team was light years away from even being competitive with UW (who wasn't competitive with Alabama), but how can anyone say a better coach with far better recruiting can't get this program to that level?
JWP303
Well-Known Member
But this is the trap we always fall into... Even when things are seemingly good, they end up in heartbreak. Take 2001 for example - our best season in the last 25+ years, we got destroyed by Joey Harrington in the Fiesta Bowl.
It's basically been 30 years of one step forward, two steps back - that's my only point here... In principle - I agree with you. We have the facilities now, we have the tradition, we have the conference -- but at some point in the near future we need to start having some GD results to justify the optimism. At least for me.
I don't really find anything that happened in college football 10+ years ago all that relevant to the competitive landscape today, so I don't really care to find parallels to other eras. I look at the leadership we currently have, the fundraising efforts, the money spent on state of the art facilities, and the removal of certain obstacles that have historically been a hindrance to CU football to justify an optimistic outlook. I believe Rick George when he says he wants to compete and win championships and I trust him and Lance Carl to make the right HC hire, that is the last piece of the puzzle, IMO. The right HC assembling the right staff can seriously elevate the recruiting to a level this program hasn't seen in decades, and done the right way, I don't see how that can't lead to CU becoming what Washington is right now.
100 years ago isn't relevant, 50 years ago isn't that relevant, 20 years ago has some but not much bearing.
What matters is the now.
Do we have the potential to be a regular top 25 type program with occasional years in the top 10.
Comparing us to other programs that are on that level I say we can be, assuming we have the right coach and ongoing administrative support.
In other areas we are on that level with
Facilities , check
Fan support, with a decent team check
Quality of school and environment for student athletes, check
Budget check
Ability to recruit players to the program, check
We aren't one of the programs that fills a 100,000 seat stadium and/or has the undivided attention of it's entire state but even some of those programs have struggled recently while we have seen programs that are behind us on the list above playing in bowls and ending seasons in the rankings.
The potential is here, we need the right people to take advantage of it.
And as to those who are afraid of our coach being poached after 3-4 years of success, I would contend that if we are winning and being successful there are not a large number of programs that would be steps up from us and in that situation we would then be able to poach ourselves.
What matters is the now.
Do we have the potential to be a regular top 25 type program with occasional years in the top 10.
Comparing us to other programs that are on that level I say we can be, assuming we have the right coach and ongoing administrative support.
In other areas we are on that level with
Facilities , check
Fan support, with a decent team check
Quality of school and environment for student athletes, check
Budget check
Ability to recruit players to the program, check
We aren't one of the programs that fills a 100,000 seat stadium and/or has the undivided attention of it's entire state but even some of those programs have struggled recently while we have seen programs that are behind us on the list above playing in bowls and ending seasons in the rankings.
The potential is here, we need the right people to take advantage of it.
And as to those who are afraid of our coach being poached after 3-4 years of success, I would contend that if we are winning and being successful there are not a large number of programs that would be steps up from us and in that situation we would then be able to poach ourselves.
pcbuff
Well-Known Member
If our coach is poached, it means their attractive. I’ll deal with it!