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Can you win consistently in Boulder?

Last three coaches started with JV staffs...tried tweaking but reality is JV...Leavitt was good...only true P5 caliber coordinator in the past 12 years....

Has little to do with the city culture..and more to do with coaching...5 turnovers yesterday....dumb calls.....

Buffs won 3 conf games in two years prior to MM...BURNT TO THE GROUND some say..and we won 4 in MMs 5th and 6th season..talent perhaps better....results the same.
 
B_Walk said:
Racial tensions are worse now in America than the early 90's, and we're supposed to bring black kids to Boulder? Tall order.
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Racial tensions are being stoked by a right-wing ascenedent Republican party pushing that party toward rascists policies.

Boulder is as liberal as anywhere in the country. Boulder may be white but it’s not stocked with racists or racist policies. The problem mentioned by SeattleBuff about cultural acclamation in the 80’s does not mean such problems still exist (at that level). A lot has changed, good and bad.

But having gone to school at Vandy in the 80’s (and having much of my extended family still in the South), my experience is that racism in the South (and parts of places like Missouri, Ohio, West Virginia) is a whole different level of crazy than any issues Boulder might have.

Hell, there are parts of the country outright trying to keep Black, minortity students from even voting. This can’t be a excuse for poor recruiting in Boulder.
 
Back to the OP. Can you win in Boulder ? Why yes, yes I can. Plus flatirons.
 
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Boulder said:
To be blunt Boulder is a hard sell for the main cast of people who make great football programs, Blacks from lower class socioeconomic backgrounds. Sure the city is great, but it is an increasingly a place for SWPLs (Stuff White People Like) and Yuppies. Boulder does not have a Black Community (historical or current) unlike areas where football powerhouses exist. It can be isolating for any student to move out of state and the pressures of being a student athlete only compound that. There are reasons why the Cross Country team does so well, Boulder naturally draws in great runners, but the football team struggles. That is the elephant in the room that goes unsaid.
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It gets said a lot, and I kind of buy it, but I don’t think it’s as big a factor as most say. The majority of college towns/campuses are lily white. Could Boulder and CU be more diverse? Sure. But I still think it comes down to hiring a better coach, like it does with a majority of all the other cfb programs. There’s like 2-3 sure thing coaches and a handful or a dozen of 2nd tier guys who win consistently enough to not get fired eventually, or they’re good enough for a bigger job. I really don’t think the racial make-up of Boulder is keeping us from finding one of those 2nd tier guys, and I’d be totally cool if we found one of them.
 
SDB said:
Last three coaches started with JV staffs...tried tweaking but reality is JV...Leavitt was good...only true P5 caliber coordinator in the past 12 years....

Has little to do with the city culture..and more to do with coaching...5 turnovers yesterday....dumb calls.....

Buffs won 3 conf games in two years prior to MM...BURNT TO THE GROUND some say..and we won 4 in MMs 5th and 6th season..talent perhaps better....results the same.
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I don't think Embree's staff was bad. Certainly better than the one MacIntyre assembled.
 
Jens1893 said:
I don't think Embree's staff was bad. Certainly better than the one MacIntyre assembled.
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I mean, Embree hired 2 first time coordinators. I know Greg Brown had a year of co-coordinating, but still, that wasn’t great. And I’m not bragging about MM’s staff, just saying.
 
I've said this before, and I'll say it again. It would take a special coach to match what McCartney did here. That being said, getting to the postseason every year should not be that difficult for this program. Winning a game with bowl eligibility on the line shouldn't be that difficult for this program. The Pac 12 is atrocious-this is going to be the second year in a row that its going to produce a three loss champion. If Washington State loses their bowl game, its going to be the second year in a row that all 12 teams will have lost at least three games. That's pathetic. Finding a coach who at least breaks even more often than not shouldn't be that difficult.
 
seattlebuff said:
I’ve always said, if Boulder was 30 minutes further from Denver, we’d draw 10k a game at most.

Convince me I'm wrong.
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You say stuff this incredibly moronic, and expect people to put forth an effort to convince you. Most of us have enough experience to know there's no convincing a stubborn idiot. Wyoming, Utah State, Colorado State, New Mexico, New Mexico State, Mon-****ing-tana and Montana State all average well over 10k, yet CU wouldn't.

Such a dumb post. You're not worth the effort to "convince."
 
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seattlebuff said:
Support ... I’ve always said, if Boulder was 30 minutes further from Denver, we’d draw 10k a game at most.
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This is such a great post lol. If Boulder was 30 minutes further from Denver it would be Fort Collins Dumbass. 1 hour and 4 minutes vs 1 hour and 8 minutes.
 
BerkeleyBuff said:
You say stuff this incredibly moronic, and expect people to put forth an effort to convince you. Most of us have enough experience to know there's no convincing a stubborn idiot. Wyoming, Utah State, Colorado State, New Mexico, New Mexico State, Mon-****ing-tana and Montana State all average well over 10k, yet CU wouldn't.

Such a dumb post. You're not worth the effort to "convince."
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My point, ****head, is that if you just had Boulder residents and the students to draw from (and not a major metropolis just down the road), we’d have very low attendance. Maybe 10k is too low. How about 20k, then? The point is ... the support from Boulder residents and students is much lower than most P5 schools. If you can’t recognize that, you’re blind. And how many people do you see walking around Boulder and Denver in CU gear? In Seattle, you see UW and WSU gear everywhere.
 
seattlebuff said:
My point, ****head, is that if you just had Boulder residents and the students to draw from (and not a major metropolis just down the road), we’d have very low attendance. Maybe 10k is too low. How about 20k, then? The point is ... the support from Boulder residents and students is much lower than most P5 schools. If you can’t recognize that, you’re blind. And how many people do you see walking around Boulder and Denver in CU gear? In Seattle, you see UW and WSU gear everywhere.
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Haha, “maybe.” Carry on kid.
 
So seattlebuff started this thread about CU not being able to win consistently, and then only states “fan support” as his reasoning. That’s it, huh? What a lame ass excuse. The OP was soft from the start, but not surprised based on the source. This thread is trash.

Edit: after skimming through all 4 pages, only to see the OP still blabbering on about attendance, I’m even more convinced this thread is garbage.
 
GawainBuff said:
Racial tensions are being stoked by a right-wing ascenedent Republican party pushing that party toward rascists policies.

Boulder is as liberal as anywhere in the country. Boulder may be white but it’s not stocked with racists or racist policies. The problem mentioned by SeattleBuff about cultural acclamation in the 80’s does not mean such problems still exist (at that level). A lot has changed, good and bad.

But having gone to school at Vandy in the 80’s (and having much of my extended family still in the South), my experience is that racism in the South (and parts of places like Missouri, Ohio, West Virginia) is a whole different level of crazy than any issues Boulder might have.

Hell, there are parts of the country outright trying to keep Black, minortity students from even voting. This can’t be a excuse for poor recruiting in Boulder.
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Take it to the political forum, this is the football forum.
 
ahoelsken said:
I've said this before, and I'll say it again. It would take a special coach to match what McCartney did here. That being said, getting to the postseason every year should not be that difficult for this program. Winning a game with bowl eligibility on the line shouldn't be that difficult for this program. The Pac 12 is atrocious-this is going to be the second year in a row that its going to produce a three loss champion. If Washington State loses their bowl game, its going to be the second year in a row that all 12 teams will have lost at least three games. That's pathetic. Finding a coach who at least breaks even more often than not shouldn't be that difficult.
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Completely agree ... and as I said in my post and subsequent follow ups, getting to a minor bowl consistently is attainable even with a “good” coach. But IMO given all the football culture things I mention, it will take a Peterson-level coach to get anything above that.
 
TSchekler said:
So seattlebuff started this thread about CU not being able to win consistently, and then only states “fan support” as his reasoning. That’s it, huh? What a lame ass excuse. The OP was soft from the start, but not surprised based on the source. This thread is trash.

Edit: after skimming through all 4 pages, only to see the OP still blabbering on about attendance, I’m even more convinced this thread is garbage.
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It’s not just attendance, assface ... it’s about football culture, which is multifaceted. And Boulder doesn’t have it.

Every time on national telecasts, when they show that little pre-game parade down Pearl Street with the marching band - and there’s about 200 fans watching - I want to cringe. Go to UW, WSU, Nebraska, Oregon, etc and look at their tailgates and compare that to CU.
 
seattlebuff said:
It’s not just attendance, assface ... it’s about football culture, which is multifaceted. And Boulder doesn’t have it.

Every time on national telecasts, when they show that little pre-game parade down Pearl Street with the marching band - and there’s about 200 fans watching - I want to cringe. Go to UW, WSU, Nebraska, Oregon, etc and look at their tailgates and compare that to CU.
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So once again you’re just talking about fan support? Be better
 
seattlebuff said:
My point, ****head, is that if you just had Boulder residents and the students to draw from (and not a major metropolis just down the road), we’d have very low attendance. Maybe 10k is too low. How about 20k, then? The point is ... the support from Boulder residents and students is much lower than most P5 schools. If you can’t recognize that, you’re blind. And how many people do you see walking around Boulder and Denver in CU gear? In Seattle, you see UW and WSU gear everywhere.
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I’m just confused now. Why are we playing hypotheticals? Boulder is down the road from Denver and so therefore the point you’re attempting to make doesn’t even apply here. That’s as stupid as saying, “what if Husky stadium wasn’t basically IN Seattle? But 30 more minutes north in Kirkland?” That is the dumbest point I’ve ever seen anyone make. I don’t think many here will disagree that we do not have the fervent fan support of perennial top 25 teams. We don’t have the tailgates they do or the craziness. But do you want to know a secret? Fans are fickle, they show when you win, they don’t when you don’t. I still think you’re way off base saying CU isn’t supported.

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Let’s jump to reality now. WSU averaged 30,000 over 5 years so uh, yeah... CU averaged 38,543 from 2013-2015, which is terrible. I’ll let you figure out why they didn’t average more going 10-27. From 2016-2017 they averaged 46,832 which is 93% capacity of Folsom field. They actually averaged MORE when they went 5-7. Team went 15-11 in 2016/2017 and average over 8,000 more fans a game. Washington averaged 58,000 fans a game in 2012, in 2013 they averaged 68,000. Why? They were good and top 25 in 2013. Don’t even attempt to pull some renovation bull**** either. I’ve been to Seattle a million times, the drive to C-link from Husky stadium is nothing. Or we can flip your argument and say, “Husky fans aren’t very loyal, they wouldn’t drive 20 minutes to C-link field to watch their Huskies.”

To also answer your question I see multiple people a day wearing CU gear or with stickers on their cars.
 
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Medford M. said:
CU should be able to make a bowl next year. Whoever takes over this job isn't taking over with nothing to work with like the last 3 hires. It'll at least be a little bit less of an uphill climb for the next coach to make us a perennial winner.
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What are the six wins?
 
seattlebuff said:
It’s not just attendance, assface ... it’s about football culture, which is multifaceted. And Boulder doesn’t have it.

Every time on national telecasts, when they show that little pre-game parade down Pearl Street with the marching band - and there’s about 200 fans watching - I want to cringe. Go to UW, WSU, Nebraska, Oregon, etc and look at their tailgates and compare that to CU.
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Mods, please change Seattlebuff’s handle to Assface. Thanks in advance.

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Glenbuff95 said:
I agree with the original post. The missing piece is the support in all areas including fan support. Plus great players dont want to come to boulder when its 98% white folks. Thats a fact. sub par fan support. Lack of money. Plus CU has been fighting 2 fronts, a switch to a much more competitive PAC12 and coming back from 15 years of losing. Can CU be a special place again? Sure, but I don't see it happening any time soon. FYI A&M and LSU in 5th OT
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More competitive Pac 12? Huh? The Pac 12 licks rapid taint and has for a while now.
 
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