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Conference Auto-Bid & Bubble Watch
- Thread starter Buffnik
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Very beginning is all you needed. Basketball is not football.
Gonzaga beat Duke when Duke was fully healthy and ranked #1 in the early part of the year. It's very different than a G5 football team that didn't beat a playoff caliber team during the regular season.
Medford M.
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Gonzaga...talent wise...is a top 3 or 4 team. Regardless of who they play against.
Another thing that annoys me about the SOS impact on the NET rank is the conference impact.
For example, we can look at the ACC. Virginia, Duke and North Carolina are great. Florida State and VA Tech are on the edge of great. Just having 8-10 games against those teams doesn't make your team Dance-worthy because you found a way to a 17-19 win season. Those wins also included a healthy dose of Wake, Pitt, Notre Dame, BC and Miami along with 4 other mediocre conference teams on your schedule and a non-conference slate that was padded with at least 7 body bag games.
For example, we can look at the ACC. Virginia, Duke and North Carolina are great. Florida State and VA Tech are on the edge of great. Just having 8-10 games against those teams doesn't make your team Dance-worthy because you found a way to a 17-19 win season. Those wins also included a healthy dose of Wake, Pitt, Notre Dame, BC and Miami along with 4 other mediocre conference teams on your schedule and a non-conference slate that was padded with at least 7 body bag games.
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In a sense yes however basketball allows for a longer/ more competitive non conference schedule.
And Gonzaga has proven enough times in the past that they can and will win games in the tourney.
CU's NET rating dropped from #69 to #72 with the neutral site win over Cal yesterday.
OSU is #84, so a win today would shoot the Buffs in the other direction.
This highlights my issue with the ratings. Winning a game should never harm your resume.
OSU is #84, so a win today would shoot the Buffs in the other direction.
This highlights my issue with the ratings. Winning a game should never harm your resume.
I can't seem to find a place with the raw numbers for NET Rankings posted, do you know of one?
I'm guessing that there's very little difference in the numbers between #60-80, so a rather inefficient win like yesterday possibly resulted in a small change in the rating score, which translated to a move of a few spots down.
Any rankings are going to be imperfect, I'm more worried that selection committee members don't realize that, statistically, the rankings are most likely saying that teams like Xavier, Providence, ETSU, and Colorado have essentially identical resumes as calculated by the ranking and it's inconsequential that the Cal game shuffled that grouping a bit.
just read that Nevada's top six scorers are all transfers. wow, college basketball sure has changed.
usatoday link
usatoday link
A few early round conference tourney games may actually be bubble elimination games.
Indiana (17-14) plays Ohio State (18-13) in the BIG at 10:30 on BTN.
Arkansas (17-14) plays Florida (17-14) in the SEC at 11:00.
Creighton (18-13) plays Xavier (17-14) in the Big East at 12:30 on FS1.
Georgetown (19-12) plays Seton Hall (18-12) in the Big East at 7:30 on FS1.
Doesn't look like there are any final round games today or tomorrow. Saturday will be nuts, though. These next 2 days are mostly about positioning on the bubble.
Indiana (17-14) plays Ohio State (18-13) in the BIG at 10:30 on BTN.
Arkansas (17-14) plays Florida (17-14) in the SEC at 11:00.
Creighton (18-13) plays Xavier (17-14) in the Big East at 12:30 on FS1.
Georgetown (19-12) plays Seton Hall (18-12) in the Big East at 7:30 on FS1.
Doesn't look like there are any final round games today or tomorrow. Saturday will be nuts, though. These next 2 days are mostly about positioning on the bubble.
ahoelsken
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I don't get how Florida is still on the bubble-I thought I read they were 3-11 in quadrant one games.
Birch1
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Well, I’d say winning games you’re forced to play (i.e. conference games) should never harm your resume. But if you choose these garbage teams for OOC...that’s on you.
Those 8 losses improved their NET at ton. They're ranked #33. Same thing going on with Texas (playing Kansas today). UT is ranked #38 at 16-15 and I think it was Lunardi who predicted them into the Dance even if they lose to finish with a .500 record.
Iowa State is blowing out Baylor right now.
What we want to see is for the Big 12 to look completely top heavy with TTU, ISU, KSU and KU. Blowouts in their tourney softens the bubble a lot with Baylor, Oklahoma, TCU and Texas all trying to get bids. Hard to put 4 teams from a conference into the Dance on the 11 & 12 lines.
What we want to see is for the Big 12 to look completely top heavy with TTU, ISU, KSU and KU. Blowouts in their tourney softens the bubble a lot with Baylor, Oklahoma, TCU and Texas all trying to get bids. Hard to put 4 teams from a conference into the Dance on the 11 & 12 lines.
I watched some of the TTU game yesterday and thought they'd have won the PAC12!
I might be picking TTU in my NCAA tourney bracket to win it all. Insanely good defense and their offense has hit a groove the last part of the season. Great team.
They played Duke really tough, that was before their offense started clicking, too. Tech would be a solid pick.
TCU looking good against K-State right now.
ahoelsken
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The more and more I read about the NET, the more and more I think RPI is honestly better and we should go back to it-I've made the point about Furman, UNCG......who are being talked up as bubble candidates despite not really doing much in the OOC. I'd have made the same argument about Wofford had they lost on Monday. You don't get brownie points in my opinion for playing in a league like the SoCon and beating the teams in your conference on the road or whatever-gaudy records aside. Furman, UNCG, and Wofford would not sniff the bubble with RPI.
Let's talk about Florida and Texas-any system that punishes a team like us for beating garbage Cal on the road but rewards a team like UF for losing to LSU at home is flawed. Period.
BuffG
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The NET is going to get tweaked. It still factors in far more qualitative data than the RPI ever did. Seems to me that the NET has a pretty good understanding of the top 35 or so teams. The commitee only picks about half the field of the 68. The other half are auto-bids give or take a few. No matter what they do, there’s going to be people crying about their bubble team because it’s good for TV and fans are irrational.
But if a team with a .500 or worse record gets an at-large bid, I will be LMFAO and trashing the system just like everyone else.
But if a team with a .500 or worse record gets an at-large bid, I will be LMFAO and trashing the system just like everyone else.
Fundamental disagreement with me then. Give me more Woffords and UNCGs and less 16-15 Texases or 8-12 in conference Ohio States. The primary point is to win games against whoever you play.