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Conference Championship Games 12/6-12/7

hokiehead said:
2023 payout $60m per
Projected 2024 payout $72m per

We'll see if the projection is correct. The 2023 number is reported by several sources.

I still think the relative apathy towards college sports of fans in the PAC area (vs THE SEC and B1G territories) was always going to be a handicap.
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The projected Pac 12 payout with the LA schools was supposedly around $50m/school, so assuming the B1G continued to sit around $60m without them, it’s a far more competitive landscape than $72m and $40m currently
 
hokiehead said:
I'm definitely not trying to suggest there's a perfect system to crowning a NC.

My contention is, and has been since long before joining Allbuffs, is that a "CFB NC' is near nonsensical and we shouldn't even try; let each conference determine their champs and call it done!

I believe that efforts to name NC have been destructive to the sport.
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I took your irony comments to mean you think the CFP proponents aren't getting what they wanted.

I'm here to say I think it's fabulous, imperfect, still a bit subjective, but less subjective and exclusionary than it was before.
 
Robert Sorell said:
In a polytheistic structure where the god of college football was like the godess of lightning's bastard son, I'd be willing to perform some rituals to curry their favor.

If we're talking monotheism, I'm looking around at the rest of the world and begging that god to stop watching football.
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Dionysus is definitely the God of College football: drinking, partying, pleasure, chaos
 
hokiehead said:
I did not know that. I stand corrected, thanks.
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It’s all speculation so tifwiw but that was the number being floated around.

Regardless, I think we can agree that had the LA schools stayed the course the entire CFB landscape would be different. Also, you’re right that 2010 was the first real inflection point for the Pac 12
 
hokiehead said:
At what point in time are you referring?

Before OU and UT left the XII, I don't think the PAC could have easily poached the top schools.

After they left, I believe the majority of the media money was already contractually obligated to the P2 and there would have still been too big a gap between them and the PAC.

Open minded that my perception is wrong here.

There is definitely bad coke.

The irony meter is off the charts given that the one of the main reason we have the playoffs is because fans wanted subjectively removed from determining an MNC.

Same! I'm not much of a movie guy, but I keep threatening the wife we're doing that on 12/25 if she can't lock down plans with the kids.
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My frustration is that the Old Way, the BCS Way, and the CFP Way are all still far too subjective, even if there are 12 spots or 14 spots or 16 spots. I would even argue that the CFP is worse because it is just an Invitational and it is dominated by 50% of the potential participants, not in just teams, but in the ability to bully and intimidate the outcome. The idea of 4-4-2-2+2 with autobids and other things is even worse. At least the NFL has divisions and a specific path to the playoffs by on the field means. The SEC and B1G are acting like bitches and it is hurting the game and causing a lot of anger and frustration
 
Jens1893 said:
as nik says, the difference was yormark

look at the timeline

january - pac 12 announces scott is leaving
early july 2021 - kliavkoff succeeds scott
late july 2021 - ou and texas announce theyre leaving for the sec
april 2022 - bowlsby announces his retirement
july 2022 - usc and ucla announce theyre leaving for the big ten
august 2022 - big 12 hires yormark
october 2022 - big 12 reaches agreement with fox and espn on a new tv contract

theres like a 9-12 month window between july 2021 and july 2022 where the big 12 was rudderless and ripe for the picking, but it was game over as soon as yormark started. yormark knew he had to act quickly and decisively and that he had to secure the floor first to secure the future of the conference before he could start dreaming about the ceiling and that he had to get to the table with the networks and eat first before the pac 12 did. the pac 12 had its floor fall out while they were still dreaming about a higher ceiling. once the big 12 had secured his, there were only scraps left for the p12 as the networks had largely filled their inventory so it was pretty much checkmate. yormark knew he had to get what he could to secure the future of the conference, the pac 12 instead was still stuck in dreamland just like it essentially was for all of scott's tenure. the pac 12 forgot about today while dreaming about tomorrow.
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IIRC, USC was already looking for a way out before UT and OU announced their intentions. Chances are the petty ****s would have blocked anything the rest of the conference tried.
 
hokiehead said:
I also think one point with which few reasonable people would disagree, is that 2/4 "power'ish conferences" being won this year by teams that were in the PAC 12 last year is STRONG evidence that conference was grossly mismanaged.
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To a point. But in this age of college football with transfer portal and NIL, it’s not as meaningful. Oregon’s entire starting WR corps and QB were transfers. I’m sure they had some good trench transfers.
 
College Football Playoff bracket, first round
 
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Bread said:
To a point. But in this age of college football with transfer portal and NIL, it’s not as meaningful. Oregon’s entire starting WR corps and QB were transfers. I’m sure they had some good trench transfers.
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There's a ton of alum and local corporate money connected to the former PAC-12 members. NIL was going to be really good for that conference if media contracts had been timed a bit differently and it would have had a few more years.
 
Buffnik said:
If the PAC-12 had hired Yormark in 2021 instead of Kliavkoff, it would have all broken differently and we'd have been looking at a very different CFB landscape right now.
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I don't remember the exact timeline and I'm not going to look it up but there was very valid interest in joining the PAC by Texas and Oklahoma. They would have brought 2 other schools with them, almost certainly Okie State and one other Texas school, maybe TTU.

Take this addition and hire Yormark as Commish and we would be looking discussion of P3 not P2. The money would be good enough that U$C and Oregon wouldn't have had reason to go to the B1G.
 
Buffnik said:
People are crazy. 😂
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Has an outspoken atheist or even agnostic Head Coach ever won a college football championship?

Serious question.

There might be precedent in hiring men of god.

And I’m not religious whatsoever.
 
FLounder said:
Has an outspoken atheist or even agnostic Head Coach ever won a college football championship?

Serious question.

There might be precedent in hiring men of god.

And I’m not religious whatsoever.
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Outspoken? No. Why would you ever be outspoken about that as a public figure or leader? Atheist are more distrusted and disliked in America than just about any other label. But if you look at the NFL, Belichick would be a good example with his rival super Christian having been Dungy.
 
I detest Boise effing State so much! No way the MWC Champion should be a Top 4. I hope they get obliterated. May the Ghost of Dan Hawkins curse them forever! I’m a bitter old man!
 
FLounder said:
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Buffnik said:
People are crazy. 😂
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No secret I am religious. Yes these people are crazy.

Hard to make any kind of theological argument that God cares who wins a football game. Does saying that Georgia won because Dabo is "a man of God" mean that Texas is a bunch of heathens destined for the fires of hell?

If people of this mentality were actually in charge of anything Tim Tebow would still be the QB of the Broncos.
 
FLounder said:
Has an outspoken atheist or even agnostic Head Coach ever won a college football championship?

Serious question.

There might be precedent in hiring men of god.

And I’m not religious whatsoever.
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If you've ever paid attention to the way a lot of pro and college football players talk, you'd probably see why being an outspoken atheist could be seen as a detriment to success.

I would guess that a few quietly atheist coaches have won national championships, and even more agnostic ones.

I would feel gross and hypocritical talking the way Dabo talks, but I wouldn't express my doubts about God's interest in who wins college football games, either.
 
Bread said:
To a point. But in this age of college football with transfer portal and NIL, it’s not as meaningful. Oregon’s entire starting WR corps and QB were transfers. I’m sure they had some good trench transfers.
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The entire starting DL and the entire starting secondary, including nickel. Also 2 RBs, Bucky Irving(NFL) and Noah Whittington(#2 guy) 5 starting caliber OL over the last two years(two missed their lone season due to injury). And of course, every meaningful QB on the roster.

Oh, and their kicker and punter. The long snapper is an OG HS recruit tho!

I think it will taper off a bit the next couple of years with the way their HS recruiting is going. Lanning turned the roster over much like Coach Prime did. At some point if you stop playing HS recruits all together you're going to stop getting them.
 
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