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Conference Championship Games 12/6-12/7
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Robert Sorell
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Then they get to watch Hunter take the Heisman next week, then get rolled by Penn St or Texas the next week.
How can you be sure He doesn’t?God’s plan, blah, blah, blah. STFU
If you believe in God, then okay. Your choice. If you believe God has a plan for your football team, you are a moron.
Robert Sorell
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I'm 100% certain an omnipotent being petty enough to pick winners and losers in college football doesn't deserve my worship.
Not the right thread, but whatever.
We used to train UAE pilots in Navy training squadrons. One of the instructor pilots told the UAE pilot that he was off his altitude, to which the Saudi pilot responded "it's God's will".
If I believed that God was rigging the winners and losers of college football, either out of pre-determinism or to answer the prayers of coaches, players, fans and bettors then I would not watch college football.
Oh, let's turn on the TV and see who God has chosen to win today!
FLounda
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The correlation of SEC religious fanatics and their championships over the past 20 years has a different view point on the matter.
They just pray Harder.
Only coaches we have been successful under over the past 50 years were all men of GOD.
REPENT.
Maybe so, but football has been blessed way quicker and way faster than eons of suffering children. The data tells us, God likes the pigskin getting tossed around!
That’s great. But it doesn’t answer my question, does it?
The answer is - of course - that we can't know.
Which makes it even weirder when coaches pretend that they do.
I like him and the rapport he seems to have with his players. Sure, he's animated and says stupid things at times, but he doesn't come off as prickish as Sark; that dude is a douche.
Maybe they do.
They probably say that they do.
But they can't know what this is.
Your question was "How can we be sure He doesn't." We can't be sure (no matter how unlikely) but you can't have it both ways.
Robert Sorell
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Your question doesn't interest me.
At what point in time are you referring?
Before OU and UT left the XII, I don't think the PAC could have easily poached the top schools.
After they left, I believe the majority of the media money was already contractually obligated to the P2 and there would have still been too big a gap between them and the PAC.
Open minded that my perception is wrong here.
There is definitely bad coke.
The irony meter is off the charts given that the one of the main reason we have the playoffs is because fans wanted subjectively removed from determining an MNC.
Same! I'm not much of a movie guy, but I keep threatening the wife we're doing that on 12/25 if she can't lock down plans with the kids.
Robert Sorell
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In a polytheistic structure where the god of college football was like the godess of lightning's bastard son, I'd be willing to perform some rituals to curry their favor.
If we're talking monotheism, I'm looking around at the rest of the world and begging that god to stop watching football.
Then why respond to it? Seems odd.
The new B1G media deal didn’t happen until after they secured the LA schools because they needed that LA market. Had they not left, the Pac 12 was looking at a much larger deal than what the Big 12 eventually got and I believe the Big 12 conference would have been the one without a spot, instead of the Pac 12.
If the PAC-12 had hired Yormark in 2021 instead of Kliavkoff, it would have all broken differently and we'd have been looking at a very different CFB landscape right now.
I hear you, but the B1G per school payout only increased by $12m per school after the LA teams moved. That doesn't begin to close the money gap the PAC had already dug themselves into.
I could be wrong, but I think the PAC's shot at "long term power conference relevance" passed in 2010.
Do you have a link to the $12m increase? To my knowledge they were significantly lower until CBS, NBC and FOX all went all in with them which was after the LA schools announced they were going
Also, my point is that with the Pac 12, including the LA schools, Oregon and Washington, and the top 6-8 Big 12 programs, there would be brand power, big markets, three time zones and a lot of inventory. The gap wouldn’t be closed but it would be significantly closer.
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as nik says, the difference was yormark
look at the timeline
january - pac 12 announces scott is leaving
early july 2021 - kliavkoff succeeds scott
late july 2021 - ou and texas announce theyre leaving for the sec
april 2022 - bowlsby announces his retirement
july 2022 - usc and ucla announce theyre leaving for the big ten
august 2022 - big 12 hires yormark
october 2022 - big 12 reaches agreement with fox and espn on a new tv contract
theres like a 9-12 month window between july 2021 and july 2022 where the big 12 was rudderless and ripe for the picking, but it was game over as soon as yormark started. yormark knew he had to act quickly and decisively and that he had to secure the floor first to secure the future of the conference before he could start dreaming about the ceiling and that he had to get to the table with the networks and eat first before the pac 12 did. the pac 12 had its floor fall out while they were still dreaming about a higher ceiling. once the big 12 had secured his, there were only scraps left for the p12 as the networks had largely filled their inventory so it was pretty much checkmate. yormark knew he had to get what he could to secure the future of the conference, the pac 12 instead was still stuck in dreamland just like it essentially was for all of scott's tenure. the pac 12 forgot about today while dreaming about tomorrow.
look at the timeline
january - pac 12 announces scott is leaving
early july 2021 - kliavkoff succeeds scott
late july 2021 - ou and texas announce theyre leaving for the sec
april 2022 - bowlsby announces his retirement
july 2022 - usc and ucla announce theyre leaving for the big ten
august 2022 - big 12 hires yormark
october 2022 - big 12 reaches agreement with fox and espn on a new tv contract
theres like a 9-12 month window between july 2021 and july 2022 where the big 12 was rudderless and ripe for the picking, but it was game over as soon as yormark started. yormark knew he had to act quickly and decisively and that he had to secure the floor first to secure the future of the conference before he could start dreaming about the ceiling and that he had to get to the table with the networks and eat first before the pac 12 did. the pac 12 had its floor fall out while they were still dreaming about a higher ceiling. once the big 12 had secured his, there were only scraps left for the p12 as the networks had largely filled their inventory so it was pretty much checkmate. yormark knew he had to get what he could to secure the future of the conference, the pac 12 instead was still stuck in dreamland just like it essentially was for all of scott's tenure. the pac 12 forgot about today while dreaming about tomorrow.
2023 payout $60m per
Projected 2024 payout $72m per
We'll see if the projection is correct. The 2023 number is reported by several sources.
I still think the relative apathy towards college sports of fans in the PAC area (vs THE SEC and B1G territories) was always going to be a handicap.
Robert Sorell
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I think this line of argument from you is the nirvana or perfect solution fallacy, if not just a simple strawman. I don't think anyone is arguing that this, or for that matter any, method is perfect at crowning a champion and that there wasn't going to have to be some subjective seeing of the field.
If you think (as the CFP proponents do), that teams with exceptional regular seasons deserve a shot to win it on the field in a post season tournament, then you can't deny that this year is largely improved from last year.
Costa Rica Buff
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He definitley is but I think Lanning has the most punchable face...and he's a tier one douche to boot.
I'm definitely not trying to suggest there's a perfect system to crowning a NC.
My contention is, and has been since long before joining Allbuffs, is that a "CFB NC' is near nonsensical and we shouldn't even try; let each conference determine their champs and call it done!
I believe that efforts to name NC have been destructive to the sport.