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CU Buffs hire former Minnesota OC Mike Sanford as their new OC

lawdogg said:
I get what you’re saying, and to be clear, I was as excited about Marion as many. At the same time, it was never “Marion or bust” for me. Guys like Sowder at Kent State and my dude Eck from South Dakota State (now at Idaho), also would have worked for me, but both of those guys run more conventional offenses, in many respects. I don’t buy the idea that the only way CU scores points is to present a scheme nobody else has seen before. If I’m wrong, happy to give you all the internet props you like. Guess we’ll have to wait and see.
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It was never Marion or bust for me either, but I really liked the idea of CU taking a chance to be the first to implement a unique offense that has been utilized at times by many top coaches in the sport.

Honestly, I’d settle for CU going to a true dual threat QB as I think they are the best equalizer in the sport for middling programs, and the best CU team of the past decade was that successful because Sefo was their best short yardage running threat. BUT, here we are bringing in McCown and Kopp who are your traditional pocket passers.

Also, here are CU scoring offense ranks within the conference since joining the Pac 12…

2021 - 11
2020 - 9
2019 - 10
2018 - 7
2017 - 11
2016 - 7
2015 - 11
2014 - 10
2013 - 11
2012 - 12
2011 - 12

That spans 4 different HCs and 5 different OCs. I think there is more evidence that suggests CU needs to do something unconventional to score points than there is that they can just keep running the same stuff every other program runs and hoping they can just do it better.
 
BrokenPrinter said:
I'm not really even sure that this is true...The conventional wisdom in modern CFB is to spread the field and distribute the ball, not to go best on best and pound it between the tackles. If anything we have been going the opposite direction.
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Going to an antiquated offensive style that relies on your OL being more dominant than the opponents front seven isn’t the “unconventional wisdom” I’m talking about.

As much as Dorrell might dream of being Stanford under Harbaugh or Wisconsin, it isn’t happening.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
It was never Marion or bust for me either, but I really liked the idea of CU taking a chance to be the first to implement a unique offense that has been utilized at times by many top coaches in the sport.

Honestly, I’d settle for CU going to a true dual threat QB as I think they are the best equalizer in the sport for middling programs, and the best CU team of the past decade was that successful because Sefo was their best short yardage running threat. BUT, here we are bringing in McCown and Kopp who are your traditional pocket passers.

Also, here are CU scoring offense ranks within the conference since joining the Pac 12…

2021 - 11
2020 - 9
2019 - 10
2018 - 7
2017 - 11
2016 - 7
2015 - 11
2014 - 10
2013 - 11
2012 - 12
2011 - 12

That spans 4 different HCs and 5 different OCs. I think there is more evidence that suggests CU needs to do something unconventional to score points than there is that they can just keep running the same stuff every other program runs and hoping they can just do it better.
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Recruiting. We haven't had draftable quarterbacks, running backs or an offensive line that won the trenches in a generation.
 
Buffnik said:
Recruiting. We haven't had draftable quarterbacks, running backs or an offensive line that won the trenches in a generation.
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Yep, it all ultimately comes back to recruiting. However, I don’t believe this program is ever going to out recruit the top third or probably even half of the Pac 12, so it’s basically CU thinking (hoping) that they can consistently out coach or make a lot fewer mistakes than their opponents.
 
BrokenPrinter said:
Counterpoint: How much conventional wisdom have we really followed over the past 20 years? We have hired two NFL position coaches to lead the program and spent the last 20 years handicapping ourselves recruiting. Seems like CFB conventional wisdom is to throw money at proven P5 guys and recruit at all costs, including YOLOing potential NCAA sanctions.
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Ok, agree with all that, just a question. Is your picture a dip cone with eyes or something else?
 
Big Jim said:
Eric Scott, PGC/WR coach at SJSU. WR coach at UCLA in KD’s final year there. Very well connected to L.A. prep/youth football. UW fans hot for him after Adams skipped off to UO today.

https://sjsuspartans.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/eric-scott/697
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Strikes me as a somewhat similar resume to Barnett before he came to CU the first time as an AC.

If this guy is as well respected in the SoCA hs coaching community was Barnett was in CO, it could be a serious boon to CA recruiting.
 
skibum said:
Strikes me as a somewhat similar resume to Barnett before he came to CU the first time as an AC.

If this guy is as well respected in the SoCA hs coaching community was Barnett was in CO, it could be a serious boon to CA recruiting.
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So… he goes to UDub?
 
Bliff Cranch said:
Let’s pretend your son is a top quartile high school football player in, say, some place like Arizona, Washington, Illinois, etc. and he has a dozen scholarship offers. Six from P5 programs and six from G5 schools. And let’s say one of his offers is from Colorado.

Given the state of the athletic department at CU, from coaching uncertainty, funding, reputation, etc. unless there’s a very compelling reason I can’t think of right now, why would that recruit choose CU? I wouldn’t encourage my son to take that risk, and four generations of my family have gone to CU.

The fact is there’s not a single factor that’s trending positive for CU football. Nothing is going well right now.
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The Flatirons. Boom. Roasted
 
Eric Scott, PGC/WR coach at SJSU. WR coach at UCLA in KD’s final year there.

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. He's been there, done that. He knows better than we do.
 
@iheartbuffaloes
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slider said:
SIAP but some interesting comments on Chev and Sanford here

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BuffTuff said:
So we put out 1 of the worst offensive units in the country using west coast O pro style principles and KD’s answer is to go more heavy with a west coast guy? Got it. This program is hopeless.
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To be precise for folks, this was the quote - totally un****ingbelievable.

“Most of my career has been from certain families of offense, and (Sanford) has certain families of offense, too, that he’s had success with,” Dorrell said. “In my career, 37 years of coaching … I’ve learned a lot of football in that span of time and what I liked about what (Sanford) was able to do, he’s been in a West Coast system. He’s been in some other systems with Chris Petersen, some other places that have been very successful. I kind of like more variety in that background, whereas I don’t think Darrin had as much variety in terms of his growth and where he was. It did matter to have a little bit more substance in your background of a number of different things that he’s done.”
 
While he emphasized WCO in the quote, his point was clearly that Chev didn’t know **** other than Air Raid and maybe some spread concepts, and Sanford has a much more extensive background. So, yeah, that doesn’t sound great for people who hate WCO, but I think the point was mostly to point out that he’s better than Chev.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
While he emphasized WCO in the quote, his point was clearly that Chev didn’t know **** other than Air Raid and maybe some spread concepts, and Sanford has a much more extensive background. So, yeah, that doesn’t sound great for people who hate WCO, but I think the point was mostly to point out that he’s better than Chev.
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He could have highlighted multiple other styles, but that's what is on his mind.
 
Andy Ludwig (Utah) has stated that he doesn't have a style, that he molds it to fit the personnel. Watching Utah this year, I was envious. Minnesota wasn't far off except their QB struggled (as did the original Utah starter). A lot of 2 and 3 TE sets where the TE's look a lot like big receivers. I also note they just picked up a transfer from Idaho vandals who's a human bowling ball at 6'3" 270. He's going to line up and move around a lot.

With that said, what does the modern day WCO look like? I honestly don't know.
 
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