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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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I disagree it makes no sense.
i don't think there's been any quantitative analysis showing that those three conferences would be stronger if merged than they are independant. a lot of message board posters seem fixated on increasing the sizes of each conference, but i think there's a case to be made that a 14 team ACC is well positioned to be the #3 conference in the nation. there's no compelling reason to increase to 16 teams just because two other conferences did.
since this started, I think Not Sure has been the most vocal member here suggesting the Pac's best option is to stand pat at 10 teams. I did some quick math yesterday and think I agree -- unless the value of the remaining 10 teams drops a lot due to the departure of the LA schools (or equivalently if the XII schools somehow gain value after that conference's membership changes), merging the XII schools would only dilute the value of the average conference member.
there may be a benefit in a Pac + ACC merger, but I suspect that the numbers show the increased value is not commensurate with the increased costs. that may change if football separates from all other sports wrt conference affiliation (i.e. schools for regional conferences for everything else).
This is my favored solution and goes to my earlier post. Oregon, Washington, Utah and Colorado to the Big 12 to create a Big 16 and then the remaining Pac 6 can figure something out with the ACC for the foreseeable future
I prefer to stay affiliated with Stanford and Cal. They are valuable to the conference. Most posts in this thread concerning Stanford and Cal couldn't be more wrong.
Why do you prefer to stay affiliated with Stanford and Cal? The people with the numbers and doing the valuations don't agree with you.
I don't see any reason why the ACC would be interested in merging w/ the six lowest valued teams from the Pac.
Yet somehow politics keeps entering all facets of life (lately the vagina).
Academic prestige
Bay Area market
Stanford has a history of being a successful program (in cycles)
You all lament about what has happened with college football, yet you want to kick Stanford and Cal out of the Pac? That doesn't make sense.
Fogo
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Or the covid vax... remember my body my choice!
If it forces ESPN to reopen the TV contract, it could be worth it to add them, but of course I have no idea if that is the case or not. Regardless, maybe the ACC just keeps on keepin on at 14 while the Big 12 goes to 16 and the remining Pac 6 is relegated to the MWC or chooses to add SDSU, Boise, UNLV and FSU to get back to 10.
Right. Giving up Stanford and Cal for Baylor and West Virginia? Wut?
Baylor? Seriously? We are going to leave the PAC 10 to join a conference with Baylor?
241Volcanos
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They should be aligning to maximize exposure and revenues. maybe it’s just scheduling agreements. I agree a big conglomerate conference doesn’t make sense for all.
However, taking the top 6-8 from Pac, top 4-6 from B12 and top 6-10 from ACC would create a great conference with pods that kept travel reasonable and rivalries intact.
Something about being affilited with smart schools. Or being affiliated with school like Nebraska or lower.
Not anymore libtard/Conservidiot!
Not anymore, dip****.
Fight CU
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Your body my choice fuc face
I simply couldn't give a rat's ass about academic prestige anymore, and honestly, CU's academic prestige is middling at best relative to most other P5 schools, in 2022, so why do we keep this narrative that we are somehow peers of Cal and Stanford? I'm so tired of the academics conversation when it comes to College athletics.
The Bay area market for sports has essentially been deemed irrelevant by the only people who matter in the conversation (the networks).
Stanford is fine as a program, but not special. T-61st all time in wins and around 40th in win%. Who cares?
We all lament about what has happened with college football, but that doesn't put the toothpaste back in the tube. As a CU fan with no allegiance to the state of California or the programs that reside there, I am rooting for CU to adapt to what college football has become in 2022, not continue to opine for how it was in 2001, while relegating itself to G5 status just so it can stay affiliated with Cal and Stanford because of some academic wet dream.
expansion would not force ESPN to reopen the contract.
if eight teams leave the ACC, ostensibly to form a new league with the other six teams and the Pac leftovers, that would force a new TV contract and invalidate the current GoR, but it would also leave the door wide open for UNC, etc... to bolt to the P2. the risks outweigh the benefits.
I really see no win for the ACC in this idea.
a scurrilous unfounded set of attacks on the great state of California and i missed it! oh, and please do not make us prune the thread and take all the bull**** to the island. it is a lot of ****ing work.
and definitely leave all the rest of the abortion and vax **** out of here. it is easier and quicker to just randomly start banning ****s that it is to try to edit and prune this **** back to sanity.
oh, and winners post about the pac sitting on its hands for a full season would be just about the perfect pac answer to this matter. maybe a light will shine down on the left behind and magic will transport us all into a super conference.
and definitely leave all the rest of the abortion and vax **** out of here. it is easier and quicker to just randomly start banning ****s that it is to try to edit and prune this **** back to sanity.
oh, and winners post about the pac sitting on its hands for a full season would be just about the perfect pac answer to this matter. maybe a light will shine down on the left behind and magic will transport us all into a super conference.
agree that if someone could cherry pick the top schools from ACC, XII and Pac, that a conference could be formed which is a solid #3 behind the P2 and stronger than any of those three would be individually.
but, to get to that, (assuming the GoR is as legally binding as recent reports indicate) eight teams have to declare they're leaving and that opens the door for UNC, etc... to go P2. the risk is too big for the other ACC schools to do this.
$45m? So still less on a per school basis than what each Big 12 program is slated to make in their next media deal?
And again, if Stanford and/or Cal were thought to actually be valuable enough to have a seat at the table, they would have left with SC and UCLA. Same goes for Oregon and Washington.
I don't see why that means CU should remain in a failing Pac 10
I didn't say let's stay with them because of academics alone, but academics do add value to the brand. This is still college football.
See post above regarding your statement that Bay Area is irrelevant. Do you have a source other than some rando on Twitter to back up this claim?
Academics no longer add value in major college football. I don't know why that's even up for debate at this point.
My source is watching what Fox and ESPN have done over the last year with both the B1G and SEC and how neither Stanford or Cal are even in the conversation.... Unless of course you don't believe those networks truly understand the Bay Area market.
Academics might not mean anything to the SEC or the B1G, but I’d really like to live in a world where they mean something to the conference my team is associated with. This isn’t just about the money (which by most accounts would be about the same regardless of what conference we are in).
We hate Baylor with passion but must admit they have been better at foosball and basketball than CU.Right. Giving up Stanford and Cal for Baylor and West Virginia? Wut?
Baylor? Seriously? We are going to leave the PAC 10 to join a conference with Baylor?
I think there's a strong correlation between academics and football success. I haven't crunched numbers, but I suspect we'd see that all of the competitive D1 Teams over the last decade have come from the top 1/3 academicly ranked D1 schools.
I agree there's no correlation between elite academics and elite football success, which seems relevant with the discussion of the Bay Area PAC schools.
I agree there's no correlation between elite academics and elite football success, which seems relevant with the discussion of the Bay Area PAC schools.
That is a very unconvincing argument for joining the Big 12.
I have read much discussion about how the B1G should scoop up Stanford and Cal, but that the loss of those two schools would be a death blow to the Pac. Maybe the B1G doesn't want to completely kill the conference. Who knows?
We must read/watch different things.
Lol the B1G just took two of most prestigious academic schools in the country, have many others that are already part of the conference, and are trying to add Notre Dame. It's not that they don't care about academic prestige, it's that they also place high value on football excellence.
I'm also seriously curious as to why you care if the CU football program is in a conference where they mean something. Aside from Texas, which you have been very vocal about hating being in a conference with, CU was never in a conference where academics meant something, until 2011. Has your experience rooting for CU over the past decade been enjoyable because at least they have been in a conference where academics matters?