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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues

patebuff said:
I mean, if this were actually true, Oregon and Washington are stuck in the Pac 12. Maybe the Big 12 takes the states Schools so they can get Oregon/Washington, but that scenario doesn't seem plausible at all, or in the best interest of the Big 12.

CU's chances at the BIG (which is what this is about) just skyrocketed
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buff4bcs1985 said:
or dooms CU to the mountain west
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@patebuff is right. I mean I know the student-athlete charade is kind of a thing of the past-but there's still Title 9. USC/UCLA are going to need closer road trips than Lincoln to make this work IMO-CU/Utah (especially with no little brothers) make the most sense here then.
Alfred91 said:
The big thing when it comes to the state legislatures is that these are not Midwestern legislatures. Oklahoma's legislature zipped it because they knew that OU needed to go to the SEC and Okie Lite was holding them back.

Do PNW lawmakers know that? Do they care? Or are they going to be more concerned about historical ties and **** like that?

What I don't know is the UO/OSU/neither split in Oregon and the UW/WSU/neither split in Washington.

If this was CO, we'd be ****ed, because there are so few CU alumni in our state government.
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Difference between the OU situation and the PNW situation is they've been through it down there.......twice (2011 and last year) while this is the first time a lot of these west coast schools are dealing with this. We're also talking about the south (who arguably cares the most about this sport) versus the west coast (who cares the least).
 
I'd reject a big 12 invite if it came. I'd rather stand pat and hope for a consolation big 10 offer even if that meant missing an opportunity for the little 12 leftovers. That conference is DOA. They are the new PAC, but without the view.
 
So taking my own personal feelings out of it and just looking at it from a thought experiment perspective, the school who needs to be hitting their legislature hard to let them go is UW. When I look at all of the college football programs west of the Great Plains, I only see two that a conference looks at and says, "yeah, they're worthwhile to go to all the trouble to bring aboard". One is USC, and UCLA is riding their coattails. The only other I see is Oregon. Whether it's the Big Ten or the Big 12 or the Pac whatever, Washington is the best possible partner to bring aboard with Oregon, but I don't see them as a "must get". The Big Ten might look down the road and say, well, we're not taking Wazzu with those guys, so we'll grab Stanford instead. Or, and I mean this sounds like bull****, but whatever, if both the Oregon and Washington legislatures shot down the big brothers leaving the little brothers behind idea, maybe the Beavs get to ride the coattails.

My other thought is that this is probably the Big Ten's effort to drain the West of anything of value, and whoever loses this round is gone, but I don't think ND is going to be involved in this round of Big Ten expansion, even if it goes to 20. My guess is that what they're going to do is make sure that the SEC never goes any further west than Norman, and destroy the ACC's chances of ever getting into a "P3" setting. Maybe they go to 20, maybe they just go to 18, but they'll set it up so that the SEC is 2nd place again in the contract standings, and they control as much as they can for when the SEC gobbles up as much of the ACC as they want, and then the Big Ten will be free to bring in a homeless ND on their terms, as well as add Virginia, North Carolina, and whoever else fits their criteria but doesn't want to go to the SEC.
 
Alfred91 said:
I feel like that's calling out my thread right below your post.
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There are posters in this thread who have contributed nothing of value and I just skip over their posts. You are not one of those posters. :ROFLMAO:
 
Gunna be an interesting couple of years. It’s every school for itself.
 
Liver said:
umm. ucla, usc are academically superior to CU... you can be good at both academics and athletics. it is not one or the other. the problem CU has had since they did gb dirty is that they thought, incorrectly, that reputation, tradition, and one of the best settings in college football could somehow offset a lack of investment and a lack of flexibility on the athletic side of the house.

most of the big is good at both. most of the sec is not--- but that has always been true. and, since alabama went on its epic run of greatness, their academics have improved dramatically. they are drawing students from all over the country. florida, georgia, texas, and of course poor vanderbilt are all at least as good schools as CU.
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I wasn’t saying they weren’t. I was just saying tell those other universities it’s all about academics, they aren’t changing conferences for the academics lol. What’s happening right now just goes to show you how poorly CU and the PAC12 has managed all of this. You can be great at everything, instead we have 💩 heads like Jack Kroll voting against coaches and whining about academics. Now not only does USC get to return to a dominant powerhouse in college football they get to further compensate their university doing it. While we’re in a flailing conference with a 💩 football team.
 
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The Alabaster Yak said:
Todd Saliman is a wild card here, IMO. Does he have the will and desire to keep/make CU a relevant athletic institution, or is he fine with the status quo of the last 20 years?
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I still hold out hope that he completely changes that culture in the near future. The current path will not result in success even if CU gets into the BIG
 
patebuff said:
I still hold out hope that he completely changes that culture in the near future. The current path will not result in success even if CU gets into the BIG
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At this point, if you’re one of the 10 remaining P12 programs and you aren’t trying to make a case to the B1G or SEC for membership, you’ve decided you aren’t going to try to be relevant.

If it’s ever known that CU didn’t even apply for B1G membership, we’ll have our answer.
 
What do you guys think Oregon’s athletic department looks like in a post Phil knight world? I mean the dude is in his mid eighties.
 
manhattanbuff said:
An athletic department with a multi-billion dollar endowment.
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A quick google search shows cu has almost double the endowment that Oregon does. Not sure how that impacts athletics. My point is, I wonder if the big 10 looks at this and wonders what Oregon brings the conference in the long run.
 
HudsonBuff said:
A quick google search shows cu has almost double the endowment that Oregon does. Not sure how that impacts athletics. My point is, I wonder if the big 10 looks at this and wonders what Oregon brings the conference in the long run.
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You should read my message again.
 
SerenityBuff said:
Nike doesn’t die with him. I’m sure he’s set up a trust to have them taken care of well into the future.
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True, but what if the new ceo of Nike is a usc alum? Or the heirs of the Nike ownership group don’t care about Oregon athletics as much as Phil knight did.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Todd Saliman is a wild card here, IMO. Does he have the will and desire to keep/make CU a relevant athletic institution, or is he fine with the status quo of the last 20 years?
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If I'm him, I announce student-athlete admissions & transfer changes, add some general studies type majors, and take out a loan for hundreds of millions to do the following:

1. Folsom renovation
2. Field sports complex moved from East Campus & elsewhere to practice field & family housing area (build soccer & lacrosse stadium that seats about 20k).
3. Tear down the Keg and build a dual purpose Basketball & Hockey arena on same spot.
4. Build stadiums for Baseball & Softball on South Campus.
5. Add the following programs: baseball, men's soccer, men's lacrosse, softball, men's and women's hockey, women's gymnastics, women's beach volleyball, women's triathlon.

If this commitment didn't get us into the B1G now, long-term we'd be in the top tier after it all shook out. No way that a CU with all that, AAU + R1 + ARWU Top 100 academics, Top 20 (soon top 15) media market, travel hub airport for the nation, and the 6th fastest growing state (2020 US Census) gets left out.
 
SerenityBuff said:
Nike doesn’t die with him. I’m sure he’s set up a trust to have them taken care of well into the future.
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My point is I think there is a reasonable argument to make that Oregon's value could decline sharply in the next several years. Look at the broncos, after the patriarch is gone anything can happen.
 
SerenityBuff said:
I’m no lawyer, but I assume that’s why irrevocable trusts exist.
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Me either lol. But, you’d have to think most of that is going to his family and heirs. I’m sure some of it goes to the old alma mater. In any case, after that gift is given nothing else is guaranteed. I can see why the big 10 might not view them as attractive as the general public does.
 
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