CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues

[Hank]

Woke up this morning feeling grateful to USC and UCLA. Although we like to blame the conference's struggles on mismanagement, there is a permanent disadvantage that can't be changed - the Pacific Time Zone.

No matter how well the conference was managed, it would always be at a competitive disadvantage in an era where television revenue is paramount. Simply due to the time zone. There's no way around it.

UCLA and USC were the heart of the conference. They were the only ones who could blow it up. They saw the writing on the wall, and likely did the rest of the Pac 12 a favor. The alternative was to continue down a path where we pretend we can compete with half the television revenue.

 

[Hank]

True, but what if the new ceo of Nike is a usc alum? Or the heirs of the Nike ownership group don’t care about Oregon athletics as much as Phil knight did.

So generally the way things work - when the CEO of a company who owns a bunch of the shares of said company dies, his estate doesn't have to give his shares to his successor for free.

 

[Hank]

Me either lol. But, you’d have to think most of that is going to his family and heirs. I’m sure some of it goes to the old alma mater. In any case, after that gift is given nothing else is guaranteed. I can see why the big 10 might not view them as attractive as the general public does.

For many ultra wealthy people, the opposite is true. They may be okay with a child inheriting $10 million - some don't even want that. Very few want their children to inherit billions.

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

TIFWIW

 

[BlackNGold]

For many ultra wealthy people, the opposite is true. They may be okay with a child inheriting $10 million - some don't even want that. Very few want their children to inherit billions.

I just wonder where you get this notion from. The evidence from around the world does not show your take to be true. You seem to be taking what Bill Gates said years ago about his kids and saying this is true for every one. The Walton, Mars, Lauder, Cargill, and Koch families all disagree with you.

 

[Hank]

I just wonder where you get this notion from.

I plan their estates.

 

[BlackNGold]

I believe the conference Presidents and ADs are very responsible for the mess the PAC12 is in. They allowed Larry Scott to proceed on his path with little questioning and little supervision. Larry Scott made $50 million off the PAC12 and destroyed it. But the Presidents deserve their share of the blame, Jon Wilner has been pointing out for years the flaws with Larry Scott and the direction of the PAC12. But no one stood up to stop a captain who had taken the ship off course.

The argument of which conference is the weakest has been answered - it is the PAC?

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

I believe the conference Presidents and ADs are very responsible for the mess the PAC12 is in. They allowed Larry Scott to proceed on his path with little questioning and little supervision. Larry Scott made $50 million off the PAC12 and destroyed it. But the Presidents deserve their share of the blame, Jon Wilner has been pointing out for years the flaws with Larry Scott and the direction of the PAC12. But no one stood up to stop a captain who had taken the ship off course.

The argument of which conference is the weakest has been answered - it is the PAC?

Big 12 was trash too, they just had this happen a year earlier and got proactive with adding the top G5 programs. What would that Pac 12 have done if SC/UCLA left last year before Texas and OU

 

[ahoelsken]

TIFWIW

There's no point to staying. Sucks to be the people who have been telling me how great the road trips have been over the last decade.

 

[Alfred91]

TIFWIW

Can't wait to lose to BYU on a regular basis.

 

[InTheBuff]

TIFWIW

If true all of these schools know that Oregon, Washington and possibly Stanford are headed to the B10 and that they have no chance in hell for an invite to the big table.

 

[chipwich]

There's no point to staying. Sucks to be the people who have been telling me how great the road trips have been over the last decade.

Sucks how? Moving to the PAC was the right call at the time. The incompetence after we switched conferences is what killed CU football.

 

[BlackNGold]

If true all of these schools know that Oregon, Washington and possibly Stanford are headed to the B10 and that they have no chance in hell for an invite to the big table.

CU, Utah, AZ, and ASU would make the Big 12 a reasonable conference. I would rather see CU go to the Big 10. CU, UW, Stanford and Cal to the Big 10 would be an attractive package, IMO.

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

CU, Utah, AZ, and ASU would make the Big 12 a reasonable conference. I would rather see CU go to the Big 10. CU, UW, Stanford and Cal to the Big 10 would be an attractive package, IMO.

And the B1G leaves Oregon and Utah on the table?? Doubtful

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

Can't wait to lose to BYU on a regular basis.

I think it would be a really fun conference that CU would have an opportunity to actually compete in (assuming there’s a semblance of give a **** from the admin and AD)

 

[BuffWarHog]

Can't wait to lose to BYU on a regular basis.

How about Iowa State? UCF? Going .500 vs Kansas?

 

[BlackNGold]

And the B1G leaves Oregon and Utah on the table?? Doubtful

My own opinion is that neither Oregon or Utah have that much to offer other than they have been good programs in the recent past. But bringing a lot of eyeballs in terms of population, not so much.

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

My own opinion is that neither Oregon or Utah have that much to offer other than they have been good programs in the recent past. But bringing a lot of eyeballs in terms of population, not so much.

Oregon brings a brand that is second to USC in the Pac 12 in terms of how many people watched their games.

 

[BuffWarHog]

I think it would be a really fun conference that CU would have an opportunity to actually compete in (assuming there’s a semblance of give a **** from the admin and AD)

i tend to agree, but I also think the Admin will never give a ****. And thus, I would rather loose routinely to B1G schools (including NW, Purdue, Rutgers) and get more money than to Big XII schools (bailer, Cincy, Houston…and probably KSU/Kansas).

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

i tend to agree, but I also think the Admin will never give a ****. And thus, I would rather loose routinely to B1G schools (including NW, Purdue, Rutgers) and get more money than to Big XII schools (bailer, Cincy, Houston…and probably KSU/Kansas).

True but something that hasn’t been discussed is that if the admin doesn’t give a ****, what difference does more money make?

CU in the B1G would regularly be playing USC, Oregon, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Iowa, Minnesota, Penn State and maybe ND

CU in the Big 12 would regularly be playing Oklahoma State, Cincy, Iowa State, Utah, ASU, BYU, Houston, Baylor, TCU, TTU

It’s a far easier path in the big 12 assuming there’s an effort to be competitive. B1G would require a dramatic shift in mentality.

 

[BuffWarHog]

True but something that hasn’t been discussed is that if the admin doesn’t give a ****, what difference does more money make?

CU in the B1G would regularly be playing USC, Oregon, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Iowa, Minnesota, Penn State and maybe ND

CU in the Big 12 would regularly be playing Oklahoma State, Cincy, Iowa State, Utah, ASU, BYU, Houston, Baylor, TCU, TTU

It’s a far easier path in the big 12 assuming there’s an effort to be competitive. B1G would require a dramatic shift in mentality.

The more money thing can be shifted to other sports, and I think we could actually be competitive in basketball. Plus, more money cooooouuuld, actually make us a little more competitive against the lower teams. And it may raise the prestige of the university being associated with B1G schools…which I feel had been slipping.

 

[Alfred91]

Just expanding the thought experiment - I actually think the 4 SW schools going to the Big 12 really ****s UO and UW in the little brother category.

Think about it. When Texas A&M bolted the rest of the Texas schools, then UT bolted, and when OU bolted, the muckity-mucks in TX and OK could comfort themselves by saying that the other schools were still in a "P5" conference.

I don't pretend to know what might be going on behind the scenes in OR and WA, but we do know this - Wazzu and OSU are in the MWC if the Pac doesn't stay together in some shape or form.

OTOH, with the entire South good, is probably game over for those schools anyway, and it's merely a question of whether you doom both your state schools to the same fate, or you let the big brothers survive while the little brothers wither on the vine.

 

[slider]

0% chance Oregon is left out of a Super Conference

 

[Alfred91]

True but something that hasn’t been discussed is that if the admin doesn’t give a ****, what difference does more money make?

CU in the B1G would regularly be playing USC, Oregon, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Iowa, Minnesota, Penn State and maybe ND

CU in the Big 12 would regularly be playing Oklahoma State, Cincy, Iowa State, Utah, ASU, BYU, Houston, Baylor, TCU, TTU

It’s a far easier path in the big 12 assuming there’s an effort to be competitive. B1G would require a dramatic shift in mentality.

The money thing is the key though. Big Ten money is going to be 4-5x what Big 12 money is. It's a G5 conference in all but name.

 

[Alfred91]

Just thinking about Wilner - poor guy is going to go from being "the guy" in the Pac to a dude stuck thousands of miles from the power centers.

It might behoove us to think about that in his tweets though. He has a vested interest in the Pac staying together.

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

The money thing is the key though. Big Ten money is going to be 4-5x what Big 12 money is. It's a G5 conference in all but name.

It’s not going to be 4-5x. It will likely be double but not that much. Regardless, what good does $100m/year for CU do if the admin doesn’t care? We simply become Rutgers or Vanderbilt

 

[BuffWarHog]

0% chance Oregon is left out of a Super Conference

Maaaayyybe they all think of Oregon like we do and they’re like “we’ll take our chances without them.”

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

The more money thing can be shifted to other sports, and I think we could actually be competitive in basketball. Plus, more money cooooouuuld, actually make us a little more competitive against the lower teams. And it may raise the prestige of the university being associated with B1G schools…which I feel had been slipping.

Competitive in basketball in the B1G?? Wisconsin, Purdue, Indiana, Ohio State, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Illinois. That’s 8 programs in that conference that CU will never be consistently better than in MBB and then you add in UCLA and USC, who CU struggles to consistently be better than as it is.

Can we stop with this notion that CU should be moving toward a basketball focus? Let’s make the tournament year in, year out. Then let’s win a game most years, then let’s make the sweet 16 once every 3-4 years. Let’s do that stuff first and then we can talk about how the CUMBB program can be competitive with the big boys.

 

[BuffWarHog]

The money thing is the key though. Big Ten money is going to be 4-5x what Big 12 money is. It's a G5 conference in all but name.

Thing is - Houston, UCF, Cincy have done pretty well WITHOUT “p5” money/TV and recruiting inroads. Give them even what being in the B12 offers, plus OSU, ISU, Baylor, TCU, TT (who tend to make some noise year in and year out), you could have a pretty competitive conference.

 

[BuffWarHog]

Competitive in basketball in the B1G?? Wisconsin, Purdue, Indiana, Ohio State, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Illinois. That 8 programs in that conference that CU will never be consistently better than in MBB and then you add in UCLA and USC, who CU struggles to consistently be better is as it is.

Can we stop with this notion that CU should be moving toward a basketball focus? Let’s make the tournament year in, year out. Then let’s win a game most years, then let’s make the sweet 16 once every 3-4 years. Let’s do that stuff first and then we can talk about how the CUMBB program can be competitive with the big boys.

You just asked what CU could do with more money even if the football team sucked. I’m not a basketball guy, but I do think we could up our game with more resources.