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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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That's Fantasyland right there. Vandy and NW are going nowhere.
Something, something, blind pig.
BuffHerd
Club Member
There is so much speculation and it comes from all directions. National media is throwing gasoline on the fire as it is the most exciting car wreck in college sports right now - Conference Realignment. Big12 is doing its best to undermine any possible PAC deal, as is the BIG, so that they can pick up wanted pieces from the carnage.
It is ALL pure speculation at this time. Even IF CU is talking to Big12, who even knows why….. maybe to create leverage for a larger slice of unequal distribution of a new PAC deal. Maybe to secure a spot in Big12, but who is to say CU hasn’t already submitted to BIG or even SEC.
In regards to that, there seems to be some consensus that SEC wants football BRANDS and doesn’t seem as interested in the geographic benefits of going west. We are a weak football brand right now and I can’t see any school out west taking priority in expansion to Florida st or Clemson, period.
What if we have applied to get into the BIG. The BIG is a different animal. They captured the PAC’s most valuable football MARKET with fUCLA/USC. That also appears to be the reason to add the schools east as well; market over brand. IF the BIG is not done expanding, why is CU such a bad choice? Of the remaining PAC schools, we would bring a desired media market, AAU, research $ comparable to many of the BIG institutions, academic standing similar to several of the existing institutions and could provide a solution to their NU mistake with an instant rivalry game and travel partner. The game this fall is timely in that sense.
It has seemed strange to me how CU had destroyed its own program from within over the years. Why now the willingness to change academic/transfer standards; pony up for a high profile coach, invest in football in general. I kept thinking it was because of a new University President but maybe also because CU brass realizes the potential cost of losing touch with other top research institutions, which would be a casualty of rejoining the Big12 but not so if we get a bid to BIG. Maybe, just maybe that is the reason CU might be considered ahead of an Arizona or Oregon, as we can move the needle more from a collaborative research standpoint within the conference.
Who knows how many backdoor deals are currently in play but I sincerely hope CU lands on its feet and in best possible position going forward.
It is ALL pure speculation at this time. Even IF CU is talking to Big12, who even knows why….. maybe to create leverage for a larger slice of unequal distribution of a new PAC deal. Maybe to secure a spot in Big12, but who is to say CU hasn’t already submitted to BIG or even SEC.
In regards to that, there seems to be some consensus that SEC wants football BRANDS and doesn’t seem as interested in the geographic benefits of going west. We are a weak football brand right now and I can’t see any school out west taking priority in expansion to Florida st or Clemson, period.
What if we have applied to get into the BIG. The BIG is a different animal. They captured the PAC’s most valuable football MARKET with fUCLA/USC. That also appears to be the reason to add the schools east as well; market over brand. IF the BIG is not done expanding, why is CU such a bad choice? Of the remaining PAC schools, we would bring a desired media market, AAU, research $ comparable to many of the BIG institutions, academic standing similar to several of the existing institutions and could provide a solution to their NU mistake with an instant rivalry game and travel partner. The game this fall is timely in that sense.
It has seemed strange to me how CU had destroyed its own program from within over the years. Why now the willingness to change academic/transfer standards; pony up for a high profile coach, invest in football in general. I kept thinking it was because of a new University President but maybe also because CU brass realizes the potential cost of losing touch with other top research institutions, which would be a casualty of rejoining the Big12 but not so if we get a bid to BIG. Maybe, just maybe that is the reason CU might be considered ahead of an Arizona or Oregon, as we can move the needle more from a collaborative research standpoint within the conference.
Who knows how many backdoor deals are currently in play but I sincerely hope CU lands on its feet and in best possible position going forward.
I see your point. I just don’t think all four corner schools sign their lives away to join the Big12.
This. For me, The late 80s and early 90s around The U and then 4 years at CU at the end McCartneys career cant be touched.
Obviously not you. so by all means lets join the AAC if they’ll write us a bigger check.…. What great new rivalries we can “make up” playing schools that didnt even have dorms 20 years ago.
If they were negotiating with the B1G at some point backwards beyond a reasonable date AND THEN blocked expansion (OU UT or more recently) I think the remaining schools could claim they were materially damaged.
Good luck proving that, although I absolutely believe it to be the case.
I don't know, if you wait on the P12 and UW and Oregon get a B1G offer, you have a lot less leverage...even with the Truck Stop 12.
Seattle and the Bay Area are greater, larger markets then Denver. Cal, Standford, and UW are academically better brands then CU. California exports more students then it has college classroom space for as does Washington I believe. So, for the B1G with its shrinking states those, are good reasons to have those schools in their conference. I guess it could come down to Oregon or CU as the 4th with CU having way better academics and better market but a lessor sports brand of late.
Maintaining flexibility is key.
I don’t really get your point. Do you love watching CU vs Stanford? What rivalries did CU develop in the Pac 12? Also not sure what your last sentence means.
Well, the last thing I want is CU signing on with the Conference from Deliverance in any fashion other than for pure expediency, and with a built in escape hatch if the B1G or SEC come calling. My fear is that now that SC has pretty much screwed everyone in the Pac, save fUCLA, should the B1G take UO, UW, or by some stretch Stanford and Cal, the dented washtub that represents the Pac12 ship of state becomes a piece of driftwood. Then CU and the few others with enough clout have to go to Goober the Truck Stop 12 commissioner with hat in hand. That would be bad.
EDIT: what creebuzz said, only better and more succinctly.
The Monty Show out of SLC.... whoa ! lots of new info and it's not good for the PAC
The show is still live right now but just go back and start at the beginning as they dump a bunch of info.
$22 million per team - ESPN won't pay for SDSU or SMU now or in the future...among other info
I'm continuing to listen and it gets worse. ESPN & Amazon will only guarantee TWO games a week(one each) with ESPN having the option to
broadcast a second if they want. If this is in fact correct the PAC is DEAD. DONE. FINISHED
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BOOM, the P12 is dead.
If you believe, as I do, that the next step is not the final step, it’s really all about setting us up to move forward when the time comes. We just need to have a chair when the music stops. The music is going to keep playing for at least another 10 years.
2030 will be the next big game of musical chairs.
IF the PAC will only have two guaranteed football games per week then the PAC is nowhere CU needs to be.
If CU VS Cal or Arizona won't be on tv Coach Prime will be gone. It's as simple as that. What about basketball games ? Ugh
This fact is lost on some people. Amazing. And regardless of who's coaching the team imagine how easy it would be to recruit against a school if there's any question that some of the games might not be televised. Put a fork in the PAC10.
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Said the ASU fan...
Big Jim
WTF?
Probably UH. I believe it was/is predominantly a commuter school.
BuffBronco
Well-Known Member
What rivalries are CU going to have in the new Big 12?
ASU/UA have each other
Utes/BYU will team up once again
Kansas schools together
Maybe UCF as they have nobody to play in the sandbox with
I never said they’d have a rival in the Big 12, but that’s not a reason to stay in the Pac 10 where they haven’t had a rival in 11 yearsWhat rivalries are CU going to have in the new Big 12?
ASU/UA have each other
Utes/BYU will team up once again
Kansas schools together
Maybe UCF as they have nobody to play in the sandbox with
We found our PAC12 rival!!!
bit.ly
Canzano: Pac-12 officially exploring four expansion schools
Oregon remains "way on board" with Pac-12, per source.
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I 'efn hate this so much. I can't stand the idea of going to the B12. My only hope (as expressed by many others) is that we don't tie ourselves to the conference long term. I truly believe we have an opportunity in the next few years to be attractive to one of the big 2 conferences.
I hate it, but I understand it. Ferk.
I hate it, but I understand it. Ferk.