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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues

Buffnik said:
It's true and has been for weeks. The problem is that this verbal agreement getting inked is contingent on the media deal and distributions. With the news that the overpayment monies owed back being much more than initially reported, it's now going to be even harder to get to the number.
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Any links on the overpayments being even worse than initially reported. Leadership in this conference has been a **** show since we joined and the P12 presidents idiocy and enablement of Scott has left us with this debacle. I could see CU saying enough and just hitting the eject button. I could also see us having a complete lack of trust in the other schools given everyone is looking for lifeboats and how USC actively sabotaged everyone else to their benefit.
 
Meh. If it's true, same reaction I had when the rumor first started. We were already slumming whatever the outcome. It stings to go back to the ex after the ex lost most of her money (and even more teeth), but as long as we aren't locked in long term, we just need a place to play games and earn cash in the hopes of moving up. And if we don't move up, maybe something better, but still ****ty, arises from the ashes of the pac in a few years.
 
Darth Snow said:
Meh. If it's true, same reaction I had when the rumor first started. We were already slumming whatever the outcome. It stings to go back to the ex after the ex lost most of her money (and even more teeth), but as long as we aren't locked in long term, we just need a place to play games and earn cash in the hopes of moving up. And if we don't move up, maybe something better, but still ****ty, arises from the ashes of the pac in a few years.
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Strange to make this move when the alumni base isn’t united at all on it. This isn’t going to be a popular move. Can’t trust Twitter reactions bc they’re mostly B12 fans.
 
Let's at least get to 12k posts and then flush this massive turd down the toliet at the nearest truck stop.
 
Victory said:
Strange to make this move when the alumni base isn’t united at all on it. This isn’t going to be a popular move. Can’t trust Twitter reactions bc they’re mostly B12 fans.
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Lots of Alumni in Texas too I bet, just fewer. And it's not like we were going to be playing football and basketball games in Southern California anymore. **** sandwiches don't have good outcomes.
 
hokiehead said:
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Let’s hope the next 5 years sees CU make a national brand for itself again which prompts them to also be vetted as a possible Mountain travel partner with Utah at some point. Otherwise, the only real hope of remaining relevant is for Prime to leverage his relationships to get the SEC to look at expanding West, which seems unlikely.
 
SuperD said:
Folks are saying "merit based" revenue split. If the money is already low and CU was looking at being on the short end off the stick on revenue split I could see that as the determining factor. I really hope we're not agreeing to that 99 year GoR though, at least for this first contract. Pretty sure the BIG deal is up again before the Big 12's deal expires.

If we go B12 it kind of does feel like we've accepted we've already been relegated. Likely we were told we weren't very high on the B1G's priority list.
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CU wasn't.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Let’s hope the next 5 years sees CU make a national brand for itself again which prompts them to also be vetted as a possible Mountain travel partner with Utah at some point. Otherwise, the only real hope of remaining relevant is for Prime to leverage his relationships to get the SEC to look at expanding West, which seems unlikely.
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Maybe, as a CU fan though I'm conditioned to believe the more likely outcome is we move to the B12, Prime takes the FL job in 2 years, and we revert to the mean in a conference that gets squeezed out of major CFB due to a lack of brands and large media markets.

The UA president is supposedly going on Finebaum to discuss realignment and a bunch off topics. That doesn't seem like something he'd do right now if they were considering an imminent move.
 
SuperD said:
Maybe, as a CU fan though I'm conditioned to believe the more likely outcome is we move to the B12, Prime takes the FL job in 2 years, and we revert to the mean in a conference that gets squeezed out of major CFB due to a lack of brands and large media markets.

The UA president is supposedly going on Finebaum to discuss realignment and a bunch off topics. That doesn't seem like something he'd do right now if they were considering an imminent move.
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SuperD said:
Maybe, as a CU fan though I'm conditioned to believe the more likely outcome seems like we move to the B12, Prime takes the FL job in 2 years, and we revert to the mean in a conference that gets squeezed out of major CFB due to a lack of brands and large media markets.
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That’s why I said let’s hope. Prime isn’t the only coach who can succeed at CU. He is certainly the best coach to rebuild a ****ty brand, but if he’s able to get CU to a high level of respectability and the administration continues to support it, there will be great coaches wanting to come here. They have to continue to show a commitment to winning.

Also, I don’t see Prime going from a place that he built from scratch to a turnkey program with boosters and $$ to answer to. Maybe if he thinks hes tapped out at CU and can’t win it all, but not otherwise.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
That’s why I said let’s hope. Prime isn’t the only coach who can succeed at CU. He is certainly the best coach to rebuild a ****ty brand, but if he’s able to get CU to a high level of respectability and the administration continues to support it, there will be great coaches wanting to come here. They have to continue to show a commitment to winning.

Also, I don’t see Prime going from a place that he built from scratch to a turnkey program with boosters and $$ to answer to. Maybe if he thinks hes tapped out at CU and can’t win it all, but not otherwise.
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I hope we can keep him for many years. I remember reading some posts here that OC Lewis might be a replacement if Coach Prime left?
 
This has been from day one a "follow the money" deal. I think a very big factor is the media rights spigot has dried up in the last 6 months for a variety of reasons.

I do not believe that any of the media companies want the PAC12 to fail - having an unhealthy system does not benefit them. The problem is there is no buyer that is ready to step up and give the PAC the media rights deal they feel they deserve.

Sports continue to attract the advertising $s because they are mostly consumed real time but the advertising revenues are not off setting the loss of carriage fee revenue. The subscriber fee model is not well developed yet. In a few years I could see ESPN and Fox Sports having a direct to consumer model where the consumer pays $35- $50 per month for access. Most subscription based services (Hulu, Netflixs, Disney +) seem to have hit a stable number and are not growing so it is hard for them to enter big rights agreements, I see this happening in small chunks with services like ESPN+. But who really knows. Only the big cash rich behemoths like Apple and Google can afford to take a multi-billion dollar risk on direct to consumer.

On the PAC:
I think most schools do not want to be the first to leave because it may be the dagger to the heart of the Conference and no one wants to be perceived in the role of Brutus but realistically the traitor is really USC and UCLA. This is true of the Big 10 also - they don't want to be the one to kill the conference.

My own projection is if CU and AZ leave the PAC then the conference will be dead and everyone will abandon ship. UW and Oregon will go to the Big 10 for a partial payout and maybe take Cal and Stanford. Utah and ASU would jump to the Big 12.

The PAC 12 since CU has joined has traveled a road with many forks in it and have always taken the wrong path.
 
Buffnik said:
SCOOPAGE overhead at the burrito stand: CU will be announcing a move to the Big 12, possibly as soon as the 2024-25 seasons for all sports. No word on what schools will also be making the move with us.
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I thought we only trusted scoop from the trough?
 
After subscribing to ESPN+ for CU's third tier B12 games, will anyone miss the P12N? My goal for a new media rights deal was the ability to subscribe to something like ESPN+ (for the Big 12) or Apple TV+ (for the P12) and it looks like it is going to happen. That is with the understanding that there will be linear TV options available.

SINKRATZ said:
If Stanford and CSU play football and no one is there to see it, did it happen?
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LOL...that'd be funny but given the Comcast overpayment problem, I think it's more likely the P12 gets dissolved so CSU stays put.
 
One thing I do not get, the Comcast overpayment is owed by the conference? Does that get passed along to the members, or can we hit Larry Scott up directly?
 
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