Big Jim
WTF?
B12 is predominantly made up of G5 schools. CU and any P12 team would greatly enhance the B12 but it is still chalk full of G5 programs.
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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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B12 is predominantly made up of G5 schools. CU and any P12 team would greatly enhance the B12 but it is still chalk full of G5 programs.
And CU is being smart by getting out while the the getting is good. Who knows what the Big 12 offer might look like once the Pac media deal becomes public or other schools bolt first, if there even is an offer at that point. Finally some forward thinking by RG and the athletic department. What an incredible 7 months for the program, absolutely love it!!
No one in the industry seems to know what it is?Is this blue steel from Zoolander?
Almost a year since the P12 went to the market for their media rights and nothing to show for it. I think it simply means the money isn’t there.
When FoxSports chose not to be a part of negotiations and ESPN didn't choose to take advantage of its exclusive negotiation window, it was clear that unless something from outside the traditional box materialized that the Pac was facing a sobering set of options for selling its media rights.
Victory
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By that rationale if it’s not there now it’s never going to be there. It’s not going to magically improve with time. In fact it’ll only get worse if teams leave.
Nah, I'm sure the money is there. My team has been negotiating a $100m/year resale contract with a large network/infrastructure/software manufacturer for 17 months. Sometimes the right deal takes time, and pisses a lot of people off in the process.
Everyone is setting artificial deadlines on this media, and it honestly doesn't even REALLY need to be done in 2023. Nothing changes until the deal is effective (July 2024 at the earliest), and leverage is not currently on the PAC 12's side. The economy has been in a weird spot, streaming is growing, and cable is shrinking. The right option IMO is wait out the process and get the best deal they can.
Victory
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I’ve been saying this for the longest time. I briefly went to the dark side but this brought me back.
G5 schools which have been at the very top of G5 and arguably better than a couple dozen P5 programs recently. UCF has won 10 games 7 times over the past 16 years. Houston has 3 12-win seasons over the past 12 years. Cincinnati was in the CFP 2 years ago. TCU has won 11 games 4 times in the decade or so they've been in a P5 conference and played in the NC game last year.
I don't think the money is there. $20 mil per school sure. They can keep fishing but they are trying to get TV revenue after they lost the largest TV market. The other markets don't offer enough viewers to get the money they want. PAC is a dead man walking,
I get it. Orange is the new red.
I believe the phrase is Kick the Can down the Road. No one ever wants to recognize bad news so you just keep extending and waiting and hoping for that knight in shining armor to save you.
The extend and pretend for the PAC has been some next level sh!t. I’m almost convinced they can ride this into 2024. Unfortunately, the sports media financials are trending in the wrong direction to suggest a better deal can be had. Turns out the first offer was the best offer. Yormark recognized this. Kliavkoff did not, or couldn’t sell it.
You don’t get it. Trust us on that.
BerkeleyBuff
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Little, if any, evidence that the money is there. Plenty of evidence it's not. Obviously we all hope it is, but time is indeed ticking, and yes it needs to be done in 2023.
On the other side of the coin, little/no evidence the money won't be there.
Everything is speculation.
yes
UCLA is not much of a football school. They give game tickets away for free. Their stadium is frequently very empty. They got into the B1G for the same reason Rutgers did: they deliver a big Tv market.
BerkeleyBuff
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As I said, plenty of evidence it's not there. The longer it's not, the less likely it will be. PAC continues to lose negotiating power. Hope GK has the rabbit ready.
If the B1G wouldn't have taken both LA teams, I believe that the Pac would have survived and rebounded.
If, for example, it would have been USC and Stanford, then the Pac would have still been in both the LA and SF markets and would have had stronger financial pressures among its members along with less elitism on new member profiles.
I could have seen a move along the lines of the Big 12 blueprint from when it lost teams -- backfill in the core CA market with SDSU and FSU, which actually covers all the population zones in the state better than what the conference had and significantly softens the blow of the losses. Then, you could fill to 16 while staying in the west without such a strict academic snobbery. UNLV, Air Force, BYU, Boise State would have all been on the table. And, frankly, if that was the new Pac-16 I wouldn't support CU leaving for anything other than B1G, SEC or a new national conference that formed from the best of the ACC, Pac and Big 12.
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I actually think it had as nuch to do with blocking the market as delivering it. Fox wanted all of So Cal, they didn’t want to leave ESPN with access to So Cal if UCLA was still in the P12. I really hope ESPN mostly ignores the B1G in their CFB coverage. Give them the NHL treatment like when ESPN had no hockey rights.
Is there any evidence the LA market watches UCLA football on TV? Or USC for that matter? Their games might get more eyes from other markets. LA went without NFL football for - what - 20 years and no one seemed to care.
There must be or it would not have had this effect on everything
Which is everything.
Someone give these girls a cheeseburger and fries. Eeewww
The best thing about this comment is that it is exactly what I'd expect someone who likes BIG 12 schools more than PAC 12 schools to say.
Well they are bikini fitness models....so probably not.
I’m sorry, I kept looking at this and expecting you to decommit and praise God.