Yep. I don't want to go too far with the "old fart waxing nostalgic" thing, but...
College sports was better when, for example, Pitt played PSU and WVU every year. Or Virginia & Maryland. Or Nebraska playing CU and Oklahoma. Etc.
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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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College sports was better when, for example, Pitt played PSU and WVU every year. Or Virginia & Maryland. Or Nebraska playing CU and Oklahoma. Etc.
Continuing the point...
I don't care where you live, the fact is that a college sports fan has the team s/he loves, 1-3 hated rivals, and the interest in other games is driven by rivalries and rankings.
The thing we're being sold right now is on the media bonanza a USC-Michigan or Texas-Alabama or UCLA-Ohio State or Oklahoma-Florida game will be.
But they won't play every year and we got just as many of those matchups when we had conferences of 8-10 teams which had scheduling flexibility to set those matchups. I strongly believe we've lost much more than we've gained (even for the realignment winners, but especially for the core fans).
I don't care where you live, the fact is that a college sports fan has the team s/he loves, 1-3 hated rivals, and the interest in other games is driven by rivalries and rankings.
The thing we're being sold right now is on the media bonanza a USC-Michigan or Texas-Alabama or UCLA-Ohio State or Oklahoma-Florida game will be.
But they won't play every year and we got just as many of those matchups when we had conferences of 8-10 teams which had scheduling flexibility to set those matchups. I strongly believe we've lost much more than we've gained (even for the realignment winners, but especially for the core fans).
This linked missive sums up my thoughts on college football as close as I’ve read. Here’s a snip for those that won’t click through:
Somewhere along the way, the big players in the sport forgot that tradition is the lifeblood of college football. The local rivalries forged within regional conferences created their own traditions, including bowl traditions. For the longest time the Pac-8 (and eventually Pac-10) champion played the Big-10 champion on New Year’s Day at the Rose Bowl. It was always on New Year’s Day unless the latter fell on Sunday. If so, it was played on January 2nd. Legend has it that Rose Bowl bigwigs promised the man up above that the game would never be played on a Sunday so long as it would never rain during the game. Memory of decades worth of Rose Bowls says the man up above has fulfilled his end of the bargain. A tradition in its own right…
The Slow-Motion Suicide of College Football
When Jerry Jones purchased the Dallas Cowboys in 1989, his investment bankers told him he was making a big mistake. Luxury boxes at Texas Stadium were empty in many instances, so were seats. Jones was
i think once this all gets settled (at least this round), things will feel better-- worst case, and most likely result is we are in the b12 again. i think it is probably a temporary destination. there are 64 teams or so that are going to end up in a tv driven super conference. they will be broken back into regional divisions that in many cases will feel more like what we liked about college ball.
this doesn't end with the sec and the big. there are just too many other fans and schools and markets. i thought maybe the sec was in the process of walling itself off from all the rest of college ball and maybe now the big is joining them. but, if that is how it goes, it isn't really even college ball anymore. maybe it hasn't been for awhile. the NIL bidding for players pretty much convinced me that the game was broken but i thought it was fixable.
there are going to be a lot more spin cycles before the dust finally settles. what CU needs to do is find a safe haven that works for now-- the b12 fits the bill i guess.
this doesn't end with the sec and the big. there are just too many other fans and schools and markets. i thought maybe the sec was in the process of walling itself off from all the rest of college ball and maybe now the big is joining them. but, if that is how it goes, it isn't really even college ball anymore. maybe it hasn't been for awhile. the NIL bidding for players pretty much convinced me that the game was broken but i thought it was fixable.
there are going to be a lot more spin cycles before the dust finally settles. what CU needs to do is find a safe haven that works for now-- the b12 fits the bill i guess.
Exactly.This linked missive sums up my thoughts on college football as close as I’ve read. Here’s a snip for those that won’t click through:
Somewhere along the way, the big players in the sport forgot that tradition is the lifeblood of college football. The local rivalries forged within regional conferences created their own traditions, including bowl traditions. For the longest time the Pac-8 (and eventually Pac-10) champion played the Big-10 champion on New Year’s Day at the Rose Bowl. It was always on New Year’s Day unless the latter fell on Sunday. If so, it was played on January 2nd. Legend has it that Rose Bowl bigwigs promised the man up above that the game would never be played on a Sunday so long as it would never rain during the game. Memory of decades worth of Rose Bowls says the man up above has fulfilled his end of the bargain. A tradition in its own right…
The Slow-Motion Suicide of College Football
When Jerry Jones purchased the Dallas Cowboys in 1989, his investment bankers told him he was making a big mistake. Luxury boxes at Texas Stadium were empty in many instances, so were seats. Jones waswww.realclearmarkets.com
Good article.This linked missive sums up my thoughts on college football as close as I’ve read. Here’s a snip for those that won’t click through:
Somewhere along the way, the big players in the sport forgot that tradition is the lifeblood of college football. The local rivalries forged within regional conferences created their own traditions, including bowl traditions. For the longest time the Pac-8 (and eventually Pac-10) champion played the Big-10 champion on New Year’s Day at the Rose Bowl. It was always on New Year’s Day unless the latter fell on Sunday. If so, it was played on January 2nd. Legend has it that Rose Bowl bigwigs promised the man up above that the game would never be played on a Sunday so long as it would never rain during the game. Memory of decades worth of Rose Bowls says the man up above has fulfilled his end of the bargain. A tradition in its own right…
The Slow-Motion Suicide of College Football
When Jerry Jones purchased the Dallas Cowboys in 1989, his investment bankers told him he was making a big mistake. Luxury boxes at Texas Stadium were empty in many instances, so were seats. Jones was
Wherever CU ends up doesnt really matter. The game is being destroyed, has been destroyed, and will continue to be destroyed. Things have changed and will continue to change again.
Nobody likes watching nearly all tradition get wiped away by overt greed and thats exactly what were seeing.
the way these deals are stacking up, i think they are actually making the game more regional not less-- what interest does a fan of a team not in the big or sec have in a game played in those conferences when there is no impact on that fan's team? the regions that the sec and big are eating are big markets, no doubt- but everyone else is still going to watch their own teams.
when we were good, i watched games that impacted our rankings or opponents and such--- the last couple weeks of the nc season were glorious as we ascended from like 9th to 1st as other teams ahead of us lost. that kind of viewing and comparing is now going to be mostly dead for everyone not in the 2 conferences so why watch those 2 conferences-- nd jumping in with them would pretty much seal it.
That is how I’m viewing CU returning to the Big 12. Either CU gets it’s house in order or ends up in a worse situation.
This has been happening for 40 years since the SCOTUS ruled that the NCAA could limit who could play on television. Yet we are still watching college football. Right now we are all emotional and when things calm down, we will be all pumped for Ralphie VI to lead the team onto the field.
It’s still early in the NIL era but there will be Cinderella type of teams popping up to wreck a top team’s season. NIL pretty much threw out the idea that CTE would end football eventually.
I think we are closer to seeing a repeat of when D1 football was split to I-A and I-AA. I’m going to repeat this comment on this forum once again: good football is not exclusive to FBS football.
Is Ralphie going to run sideways if CU isn’t playing in the top level?
“Hope” is all we have.
I think Cincy and Houston being in a “Power” conference is going to make them very attractive.
So ASU prioritized football to the point of their demise which in turn to their benefit. 4D chess.
If you have an hour, this is a good listen and probably the most recent podcast That talks about everything.
A lot of the same points are brought up that have been discussed here about the sterilization of the sport, along with the idea of losing the interest of the fan bases that get left out, which could add up an ultimately make the new leagues less popular.
A lot of the same points are brought up that have been discussed here about the sterilization of the sport, along with the idea of losing the interest of the fan bases that get left out, which could add up an ultimately make the new leagues less popular.
Now we got people convincing themselves the big 12 is better than the old pac 12 and is better without OU and Texas. The big 12 sucks. And do we really expect all these California kids to keep coming if we’re in the big 12? The big 12 sucks and we are ****ed
Nothing really new here but just more reports of this meeting taking place with the Big 12
If true, I appreciate that CU is seeing reality develop. SOME move is essential at this point. GOT to have A plan—unlike the approach to NIL.
Agree. Funny approach by CU regarding NIL. I was talking to a buddy who is a big donor at SC. He me told me that Caleb Williams’ agent is scouring for every possible dollar via the SC donor pool. But thank God that this behavior is beneath us at dear old CU.
one of many puzzles is what exactly is the hold up with oregon... does the big only want oregon as a backup and in pair with uw? does the big only want oregon in a pair with nd. does the big first want nd and (someone else) and then it will decide on the oregon and uw pair?
at this point, i don't see any way CU doesn't put itself at further risk by waiting to see. take the big 12 offer tomorrow. put the pressure on the other remaining pac schools including oregon and uw to do something once the 4 are gone to the big 12.
oregon maybe has the resources and the brand to try to go independent for awhile... fine, that would actually help the b12. then you could take uw and wsu in the big 12 and get some of the nw market. oregon could try for the sec too, i guess.
gotta get some security first and foremost and some leverage second. unless CU has something secretly cooking with the big (hint-- they do not), the time to act is now. there is zero chance of CU to the sec so the number of chairs in this game of musical chairs is going to dwindle.
the b12 with the pac 4 defectors and possibly more later is the 3rd best remaining conference. the gap is big but there are future moves to be made too.
**** fox, **** espn, and **** everyone that did this to college ball.
at this point, i don't see any way CU doesn't put itself at further risk by waiting to see. take the big 12 offer tomorrow. put the pressure on the other remaining pac schools including oregon and uw to do something once the 4 are gone to the big 12.
oregon maybe has the resources and the brand to try to go independent for awhile... fine, that would actually help the b12. then you could take uw and wsu in the big 12 and get some of the nw market. oregon could try for the sec too, i guess.
gotta get some security first and foremost and some leverage second. unless CU has something secretly cooking with the big (hint-- they do not), the time to act is now. there is zero chance of CU to the sec so the number of chairs in this game of musical chairs is going to dwindle.
the b12 with the pac 4 defectors and possibly more later is the 3rd best remaining conference. the gap is big but there are future moves to be made too.
**** fox, **** espn, and **** everyone that did this to college ball.
ahoelsken
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This might be wishful thinking-but I'd have to think moving back to the Big 12 would be a positive for CU. This school will probably have to take athletics more seriously than they have as a Pac 12 member because they're moving to a league with a bunch of schools who do. Even Kansas. Who won the NCAA tournament this past year? This is also a Texas centric conference. There is no way exposure there can be a bad thing.
I’m starting to think this dink is just trolling.
Things should be better in the Big 12 And that is where I want CU to go. What I mean by things getting worse is CU is not different from where Oregon State & WSU are at right now down the road because the needed shake up in the administration & admissions does not happen.
Because it’s the only stable conference that is looking to take on new members because they lost UT and OU. There’s a game of musical chairs going on right now and everyone is scrambling to try to find a spot. Some have a spot in a tier 1 conference, others potentially have a spot in the tier 2 conference, and some, like WSU and Oregon State, are likely going to be relegated to the mountain west.