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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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BlackNGold
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That is one possibility. It is also possible they Join the Big12. It appears SDSU also asked for a one month extension from the MWC to give their final notice. I think SDSU wants to join a P5 conference. The P12 will announce a deal within 30 minutes of getting it because everyone is out of patience.
At which point we have like no leverage to avoid their 99 year contract.
JayHawk
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What is the board read on that? From an outside perspective it seems like Kliavkoff is just stringing along all the schools until they have no choice but to accept a bad deal. It also seemed like some schools (WSU and OSU) know they have nowhere else to go so they will say or do anything to preserve the conference including reduced payouts. And at the same time it seems like some schools (Cal-Berkley/maybe Stanford but I remember all the Presidents cups so not sure) just don't care and may eventually just not have sports.
And then SDSU and SMU. I have heard no "in the know" rumors of SMU though it seems to be a given? And the SDSU non-notice notice with the big question of which conference they are going to? SDSU academics are not great but if the B12 gets them then where is the PAC in Southern Cal? Not in LA and not in San Diego? Not saying SDSU is a big draw of viewers but how do you recruit an area where the locals (parents/friends) will never see you play in person OR on tv? (I have a hard time ever seeing UW and I'm an alum) Oh and Arizona State is exactly the same distance to LA (360) as Stanford and is a few (meaningless - 370) miles Closer to LA than Cal Berkley. (San Diego 120 miles.) The B1G will dominantly recruit southern Cal (no matter what) and the B12 will at least have a beachhead.
Not here to be a troll but just that first question was the one I had.
And then SDSU and SMU. I have heard no "in the know" rumors of SMU though it seems to be a given? And the SDSU non-notice notice with the big question of which conference they are going to? SDSU academics are not great but if the B12 gets them then where is the PAC in Southern Cal? Not in LA and not in San Diego? Not saying SDSU is a big draw of viewers but how do you recruit an area where the locals (parents/friends) will never see you play in person OR on tv? (I have a hard time ever seeing UW and I'm an alum) Oh and Arizona State is exactly the same distance to LA (360) as Stanford and is a few (meaningless - 370) miles Closer to LA than Cal Berkley. (San Diego 120 miles.) The B1G will dominantly recruit southern Cal (no matter what) and the B12 will at least have a beachhead.
Not here to be a troll but just that first question was the one I had.
Victory
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Nah. A university like SDSU doesn’t tell a conference they intend to leave w/o knowing exactly where they’re going.
Yes. And you have no idea if they will be going to the Pac12 or the Big12.
The PAC is already dead. Could be soon, could be 5 or 6 years.those rooting for the demise of the pac, i offer this:
Big Jim
WTF?
Yep, and in 5 or 6 years it is a stepping stone to the Big10. A move to the B12 now is the end of any shot at the Big10.
The little 12 could win 5 straight national championships and CU would still be the most prestigious school if they were to join. They are the big fish. No need to do anything until it is time.At which point we have like no leverage to avoid their 99 year contract.
That’s my reaction to USC and UCLA…..those rooting for the demise of the pac, i offer this:
Pure conjecture on your part.
Victory
Well-Known Member
Why would they ask the MW for an extension if they’re going to the B12?
The logical answer is they wouldn’t. If we believe they know where they’re going, and I do, then there’s no reason to ask for an extension w/ the B12. We can assume they checked on the extension so the P12 can have more time for T&Cs. It was denied (obviously bc the ask was stupid) and if anything it put more heat on the P12 to wrap up it up well before 6/30. The deal is donezo people. We’re adding SDSU and SMU. All that’s left is the final bow and the press releases.
BlackNGold
Club Member
How did you reach that conclusion? The Big 12 would not add SDSU until they find out if and who of the P5 schools are going to sign up - if just CU then SDSU makes sense. If CU, AZ, ASU and Utah all bolt to the B12 there is not room for SDSU. I see no evidence a deal is done. If it was we would know.
As much as I wish CU eventually ends up in the BIG10, I just don't see it happening. So many more schools ahead of them unfortunately.
I assume we don't care about the 24 hour rule if it comes from Arizona 247?
Nobody likes Sheer, but will report what he's heard.
Says he's heard a PAC deal could be on the table this week. Rumors floating around it will be $22.5 million.
Got to believe if at all true CU won't stay. I've heard from more than one place that Colorado NEEDS to be making equal or more than what they are getting now.
Nobody likes Sheer, but will report what he's heard.
Says he's heard a PAC deal could be on the table this week. Rumors floating around it will be $22.5 million.
Got to believe if at all true CU won't stay. I've heard from more than one place that Colorado NEEDS to be making equal or more than what they are getting now.
More likely hes dropping actual details on the presidents/decision makers that are good enough to keep them interested in NOT leaving. Since he actually works for them he has a duty to report out reality. And if the reality were zero on the deal schools would already have left. Probably there is a pretty good deal on the table thats waiting for one last hangup or vendor to close and then this is done. Maybe, for example, they cant quite agree on what to do or what to value/pay for with the P12Nets. Maybe the comcast clawback is an issue.
The sign do not suggest were at zero.
The Big12 is also equally a set of have not also ran left behinds too. If we get close to the same money its worth it to stay in the P12 and avoid a 99 year death trap.
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ahoelsken
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We may not have a choice. If the Pac can't deliver a media deal that keeps us competitive with at the minimum-we need to go. If we go, Arizona likely follows. Yormark may have enough wind at his sails to call Oregon and Washington on not having a Big 10 invite......while ASU and Utah likely have to join at that point. One likely becomes 6.
I'm not concerned about the GoR because we all know what's coming in 10-12 years. I'll leave you with this-Why is Deion Sanders our football coach?
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Victory
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Let’s say everything you stated is accurate. That the B12 doesn’t add SDSU until they figure out which P5 schools they’re adding. And in one of the scenarios they’re not even taking SDSU.
Why would SDSU resign from the MW? It wouldn’t make sense. So SDSU is waiting on the B12? And they’re willing to risk not being in any conference to find out if they’ll take them?
The PAC 12 is the only conference that take math seriously. This checks out.
We cannot limp along on financial scraps for 5 years. There’s no way we do that. No way we can afford that. There could be a $20mil+ a year difference between what the PAC-00 comes up with and B12/B16.
And at the end of all that self-imposed austerity, there’s no guarantee of any move to a better conference.
(This thread is rife with sarcasm, and I may have lost the thread along the way. lol.)
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y'all worry too much. we are doing what we need to do right now to control the situation from our perspective. there are still a lot of ways this can break. we have options and will take the best one.
there are a lot of programs that do not have options.
if we end up in the truck stop 12 so be it.
do what we need to do, and the rest will sort itself out.
there are a lot of programs that do not have options.
if we end up in the truck stop 12 so be it.
do what we need to do, and the rest will sort itself out.
ahoelsken
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Here's my read on them-They're the most attractive G5 left. The Pac wants them, and the Big 12 does too. They want into a power league. They'd rather the Pac survive and join that, but they're willing to take a Big 12 invite to get into a power league. Travel's not that bad-BYU's not far for them, and they're likely thinking they're joining the Big 12 alongside multiple Pac 12 schools if that comes to pass.
They have to give the MWC a year's notice-the extension is meant to buy Kliavkoff more time because his head is up his ass. If the MWC tells them no, they're joining the Big 12 on July 1. Likely alongside us.
And right up until then, we'd managed to keep this thread conjecture free! Nice goin' Big Jim.
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For anyone that thinks we should wait around in the PAC until we get an invite to the B1G, the number one way to ever get that invite is thru revenue. Take a look at that link. We are currently ranked behind UCONN!! Near the bottom of the PAC only beating out washington state and oregon state(although Stanford doesn't post their numbers as well as USC) sitting at number 51 on the list. There ain't much behind us worth ****.
Media rights are one of the biggest generators of revenue. Without a deal that meets or exceeds the big 12 number, we will be behind the 8 ball going forward. Yes, hopefully Prime can help revive some of our other revenue streams if he can win. He has already done wonders for ticket sales and merchandise revenue, probably direct donor dollars as well, but he needs to win to keep that train going.
Some here say the big12 is lower quality teams than the PAC...good! That allows more opportunity to win, and mixed with a media rights deal that aids exposure and direct media money, that seems like the best place to be to bring in that revenue and win!
CU athletics is at a crossroads at the moment. You have to take the path that puts your revenue streams in the best place going forward and that place seems to be the big12 right now, both in terms of media rights and the ability to stay at the top of the conference in terms of wins, bowls, and exposure. Sitting on our ass right now when we are at a Prime time to take advantage of our increased exposure seems dumb.
BlackNGold
Club Member
One thing you are missing - SDSU did not resign from the MWC. They sent a letter of intent to do so and asked for a month's extension to make up their mind. That month is important because June 30th is the deadline for leaving the MWC without a big jump in exit fee. You read it one way, I read it another. If a deal was done and SDSU was going to join the PAC they would resign and it join. I think the PAC has told them they are interested but won't do anything until they have a media deal. The Big12 has told them they are interested but want to see what happens with some other teams. Everyone is hoping for more clarity soon but SDSU is running out of time so asked for an extension. I don't think anything is done.
SDSU knows it has options in one of those conferences. It won’t be back in the MWC
The B12 has authorization to grant rights to up to 4(?) additional P5 programs, not a lower program.
The B12 might not be having any luck convincing its media folks to grant SDSU.
It has authorization to take up to 4 additional P5 programs at full payouts. SDSU would gladly take a partial payout that would be quite a bit more than the MWC
I don't see SDSU taking less from the B12 than other G5 additions got.
Hopefully we'll have some movement soon. Being in limbo is not a good situation for the CU AD or for recruiting.