I might agree with you, but timing is everything and at this point the networks might not approve that.
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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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I hope that if we go to the Big 12, SDSU goes too.
Is it possible that we’d be in a western division of the big 12 with SDSU, Colorado, Arizona, BYU and maybe our old Big 8 teams of KU, KSU, ISU and Oklahoma State?
They probably would if the PAC can't match the offer, and that seems likely if the PAC can't match or beat the b12s media deal
out of dey ass…
I wonder if its an open secret that were on the verge of leaving for B12 and SDSU is actually going to take our place in the Pac. Maybe the difference is full rights for SDSU as a replacement, partial rights if not?Im not convinced that anyone else in the P12 other than us is really interested in the B12 because of history and geography and where they all get their incoming freshman and their donations from.
Could it be that unless there are two teams from the Pac the B12 is not offering and were not leaving? Maybe we havent been able to convince any of the others to go with us. If thats the reality and its not secret it could be snarling up rights.
Its occurred to me that maybe there is a deal but unanimity among Presidents and one faction wants more of something. Like what if the Apple all streaming deal is fat but a few Presidents want some broadcast that Apple cant offer?
ESPN has spent a lot of time trimming fat and companies sometimes do that when they are for sale. This could be why ESPN wont come to the table because Disney may be planning to spin ESPN and or ABC off. There are shareholders advocating for that. If a secret deal is in the works is our deal on hold until the spinoff or buyout gets done?
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That sounds highly suspect. Sounds like the flavorless overpriced territory of manbun sporting hipsters. Thankfully a lot of my guys are from Guatemala to Venezuela and they keep me stocked up on the goods
A scheduling POD with AZ, BYU, and SDSU or an ASU wouldn't be that bad.
Evidence is building: PAC12 is dead.
PAC-12 Has Brutal Media Deal Outlook, Insider Claims
The PAC-12 continues to tread water to stay alive amid no new media deal. Andrew Marchand reported several major networks are out.
www.outkick.com
Victory
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If we were about to leave, and SDSU would replace us, we’d hear “there are 3 potential Pac-12 expansion candidates”. If you hear that, then we’re probably gone. If you hear 4, then we’re leaving w/ Arizona.
Instead we’re hearing 2. The rest are not real options.
This is an important part bc the Pac-12 needs 12 teams for media inventory.
Pac-12 - Colorado = 9 schools
+ SDSU = 10 schools
+ SMU = 11 schools
… but there’s no reported 3rd option and they need 12
If we heard serious smoke around any 3rd school I’d say we’re gone. Just being practical here.
Most likely scenario has always been that the Pac adds SDSU and SMU.
But no one knows if the money's there or if CU and UA will be forced to lead a jump to the Big 12. (UA loves the basketball.)
Is said evidence from David Hookstead (who?) from Outkick.com (who?) I mean, my cousin has a hot take that the Buffs are all but in the SECEvidence is building: PAC12 is dead.
PAC-12 Has Brutal Media Deal Outlook, Insider Claims
The PAC-12 continues to tread water to stay alive amid no new media deal. Andrew Marchand reported several major networks are out.
Victory
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My theory is the money is absolutely there but RG is worried about ESPN/Fox exposure bc of Prime and the networks have been in his hear about it.
Really? Where is this big media deal coming from exactly? Don’t think that the fact that there’s been nothing this far into the process just—sort of—smacks of “evidence” that no huge life-line is coming.
The writer is mainly just summarizing the facts that are already out there. And the longer this goes the less anyone will have to pay… The PAC12 Is like a house that’s been on the market waaayyy too long…There’s no bidding war that going to suddenly pop up. The listed price just keeps going down….
#1 pick
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They have G5 options. Tulane and Rice for example. No guarantee the PAC get SDSU. B12 still is talking to them.
Oh I agree that the PAC-12 is essentially dead as a P5 conference. Once USC and UCLA closed up shop the writing was on the wall. My point was more based on making an informed decision based on a random opinion from some guy on the street. I think the PAC survives but will be relegated to a G5 status soon.
Said evidence is from Marchand. Guess you didn't read the article.
Again, I hate to agree, but the P12 gets shorted in the NCAA BBall tourney every year vis a vis number of teams, and nobody got run in the CFP absent an undefeated season, and then only Oregon and SC. Take out the LA schools and I think the P12-2 is probably the weakest P5. The sad thing is the Buc-ee's conference is only about half a step up.
Bottom line, in a couple of years if you aren't B1G or SEC, you won't matter.
Victory
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It’s not like networks are tweeting they’re bidding up a storm. It could be Marchand is partially right and ESPN isn’t in for big money. What he doesn’t know is how the rest of the deal is put together. No one is obligated to tell him anything other than “scoop” that can be used against the P12 in the media.
Is Hookstead Marchand's evil twin?
Victory
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If I had to put a media value on them.
Tulane $5M
Rice $0M
They’re not viable options. Tulane could be in a few years if they continue to win.
MWC pays about $6M per team per year. SDSU can always take a 1/2 paycheck in year one then 3/4 (if not full) in year two before a full paycheck in year three. Even a 1/2 payment will be at least double what they get in the MWC. Any G5 school will take that offer.
BuffHerd
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If reports are correct that CU has had several high level meetings with B12, then i think there may be another angle here.
We all know California is of huge importance for CU for a variety of reasons; maybe we used the leverage we had a month or so ago to negotiate a spot in the B12 for SDSU if we go as well.
Cal and Stanford likely turning their noses to SDSU anyway and they (Cal/Stan) represent the next prize media market and academic fit for BIG, upon expansion. UW/OU first obviously.
CU has much work to do to get BIG or SEC attention (as we all lament the deterioration of our football over past two decades).
We can’t afford to take less money, regardless of conference. If we are forced to exit PAC, B12 with SDSU would still give opportunity to engage SoCal at least.
For many reasons, we are a good fit for BIG, except the most important. Whichever conference gives the best chance to renew a National CU Brand needs to be our priority.
CU simply needs to get paid real conference money for a while. CU has--finally--put some resources into the game (including the facilities upgrade), and that has to get covered and show-off the projected profit that was based on. That isn't going to happen in any model of the PAC12 going forward.
Sure. We'd all love to have our academic cake and eat the media profits, too. And if wishes were horses, we all would ride.
Big Jim
WTF?
You missed the post a page back, this is supposed to be a conjecture free thread.
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You can say that about most of the G5s that just ended up in the B12 recently.
I think the BIG12 did a nice job grabbing the most promising and well-located G5 teams, and technically an Independent almost P5 team in BYU that has a natural national following
Houston is freaking Houston and when the SWAC blew up, Houston could and should have potentially been ahead of some of the others like Texas Tech and Baylor.
If Tillman was there many years ago, they would have bullied into the Big12
Cincinnati is in Ohio and the upper midwest which is a hotbed and is an NFL city
UCF is a clown show in our eyes, but it is in a booming city and has a new stadium, and is committed with a huge student body
Houston was SWC, fwiw. I know it is ancient history, but UH was a big deal in the late 70's under Bill Yeoman (creator, or at least early veer offense guy) and then had a lot of national run under Jack Pardee with the run and shoot (Andre Ware won the Heisman). UH won the old SWC title four times, and has had 5 10+ win seasons. They were Art Briles launching pad to Baylor. Not an all time great, but better than they get credit for.
Said another way, UH has been to 12 bowl games since 2005. CU has been to 2.