Big Jim
WTF?
My barber has sources.
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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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My barber has sources.
It would be a worthy bolt-on to a Las Vegas trip for sure.
assuming we stay, i don't hate this scenario.
p14 and the pac owns the western market (less LA of course) and has a foothold in dallas.
this stacks us up really well for the next round of shuffling too. there will be pressure as this goes on to rationalize the conference footprints by geography and this sets the table.
unlv and boise aren't great peer schools but they are ****ing ivy league compared to west virginia and other truck stop 12 schools.
own the west and see what happens next is a pretty ****ing good strategy if the pac is going to survive.
ku is a fine school and a peer institution for sure. it deserves better than the truck stop 12.
kjuco state and wvu and ucinn and more are academic dregs. at least boise and unlv are in the west and in interesting locations.
It was an example of another sport that is struggling with flying coach toget to their games. There are more sports then football at USC and UCLA. While football will charter a plane the small sports will fly commercial. So several low revenue sports will fly from L.A. to State College, Newark, and College Park, et al., that are both far and dont have a direct flight. My suspicion is that will be a grind compared to playing your in conference games in the PST or MST.
Its essentially my hot take that over the long term USC and UCLA will be broadly unhappy with their choice as they are lost in a big conference and eliminated from the CFP by tOSU or UM year in and year out
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Don't forget the pro teams, and that LV is now seen as a sport's city.
There is so much loose money in that town, that if the casino owners saw an advantage, they could buy UNLV the best players available. And if UNLV goes P5, they might want the added publicity of a national contender - or at least top 20 - team
Its a trade school for slot machine technicians and hotel cleaners.
But its more importantly in a glitzy destination big metro thats growing and thats what the TV gods care about.
C'mon man, you can do better. There are literally three airports with multiple daily direct flights to/from LA that are closer to college park than DIA is to Boulder.
And "no direct flights to Newark." seriously? Lmao.
State College, PA.
Bloomington, IN
Ames, IA
Lincoln, NE
East Lansing, MI
Etc,
Etc
are all obvious examples to your point, but somehow you managed to pick two of the three schools with the easiest/most direct flight connections to/from nearly anywhere in the country...
JayHawk
Well-Known Member
My points are these
1 Colorado would be the best rated academic School in the B12
2. The proposed PAC adds would be the worst academic schools in bothe the PAC and the B12.
3. We can pivot to what that means in an athletic conference but to act like your adds are better than almost all current B12 schools is just factually wrong.
and don’t ignore this school for idiots(I say that as a UW alum)
Oregon would be a middle of the pack academic school in the B12
1 Colorado would be the best rated academic School in the B12
2. The proposed PAC adds would be the worst academic schools in bothe the PAC and the B12.
3. We can pivot to what that means in an athletic conference but to act like your adds are better than almost all current B12 schools is just factually wrong.
and don’t ignore this school for idiots(I say that as a UW alum)
Oregon would be a middle of the pack academic school in the B12
two notes on WVU:
1. I think their academics are better than their reputation. WVU alums I've worked with have been really good, overall.
2. WVU leads all schools outside of the P2 + ACC in bringing in the WMA market (acknowledging the debate over how relevant TV markets are to modern-era realignment)
1. I think their academics are better than their reputation. WVU alums I've worked with have been really good, overall.
2. WVU leads all schools outside of the P2 + ACC in bringing in the WMA market (acknowledging the debate over how relevant TV markets are to modern-era realignment)
BlackNGold
Club Member
I know some posters keep complaining about the fact that streaming and linear programming is discussed in this thread but, IMO, that is the crux of this entire thread. Teams jumping conferences is all about money and brand exposure and both of those come from your media deals. And media revenues are at a giant cross roads.
Someone posted a graphic about the amount of time people spend watching streaming, cable, broadcast, etc. but they did not post an important part of that article and that is not many are really making money streaming (I am defining streaming as a revenue model with direct to subscriber relationship). ESPN has been offsetting loses of cable subscribers by raising their carriage fee amount but they realize that is not sustainable.
Right now the fact is that media companies are trying to figure out how to pivot in this new consumer media paradigm. The Big 12 got a media deal just as this was coming the consciousness of the media companies and I think they benefited by a reaction to ESPN being locked out of the Big 10 contract. Now the media companies are looking at ways to cut cost, no make more commitments.
Where am I going with this - the money well for the PAC12 media deal is starting to run dry and trying to share that money with more G5 schools is pure insanity. I would like someone to tell me how Boise State adds anything revenue wise to a media contract.
Sports have been a golden goose laying golden eggs with the media but lately the eggs have been more silver than gold. I don't believe the FAST model will be the answer because that was the model that got blown out of the water in the days of yesteryear. ESPN could offer huge media rights contracts because of the carriage fees they were collecting.
I think in 3-5 years the media companies are going to figure out a revenue model for this. What is the big unknown is can the subscription fees off-set the previous carriage fees? If the answer is no then the revenue pie is smaller.
Right now because of the money, I see it to be about a 70% chance CU ends up in the Big 12. No one seems to be talking about the fact that in less than a year the PAC12 will not have a media contract which is not an attractive proposition. As that deadline approaches the PAC12's negotiating position weakens, IMO.
To your point of losing recruits, I wonder how much that has to do to the lack of future exposure for these athletes. Several years ago USC was complaining about the PAC12 network and lack of exposure specifically lamenting the lost of top California recruits like Bryce Young to other conferences. This was a key in them leaving the PAC (and of course money). If I was recruiting against a PAC school I would point out that you may never play on TV because they don't have a contract. I don't think expansion with G5 schools is the answer.
oregon is an AAU school.
also, more fundamentally, i would rather be in a western centric conference and try to build up the new additions than join a conference that is proud of the academic and athletic tradition of ucinn, wvu, ucf, and kjuco state.
they may be not academically up to snuff but at least they are in our footprint.
if we can't into the big right now (which now has a western presence and will want a larger one over time) then let's build something fun and that makes sense.
the b12 strategy has been simple... take everyone that can't get into the p2 and has aspirations to do so and doesn't have a better option right now. if we are going to do a place holder conference, at least keep it in the west.
in the next round of shuffling, there is still going to be little to no chance that a school like kjuco state or washington state or boise state makes the cut in any scenario.
UNLV isn't a good bet?
Big Jim
WTF?
Typical overreach. BSU and UNLV are not "adds" to the Pac-12.
94.82% of all CU alums have no interest in moving to the B12. If it does happen, then get used to seeing CU alums commonly pinching their noses when in the vicinity of the other B12 schools as being a whore doesn't mean the whore needs to accept or enjoy the smell.
66BUFF
FTW
Big Jim
WTF?
Probably the best hospitality management school in the country. Does that mean they're winning nobel prizes or doing groundbreaking research at UNLV? Not at all. But it absolutely matters to the casino operators.Casino owners giving a crap about UNLV ??
Victory
Well-Known Member
B12 pocket translator: Long shots to join = absolutely in your conference.
I get it, they’re thirsty to win an academic argument. They can almost taste it. Almost.
I am not sure the criteria you're applying is relevant.
Miami can't draw fans but is a primary target for B1G & SEC. Fan base matters, but it sure doesn't seem to matter as much as home market for media, student recruitment and athletic recruiting. It doesn't seem to matter as much as being a well known university so they'd draw a good national number if gheir record was decent.
With UNLV, a lot of boxes are checked and it's a good bet that local following and attendance get significant bumps from playing a P5 schedule vs a G5 schedule.
Big Jim
WTF?
UNLV does not equal Miami.
Fred 2
steaming service
Whats the difference than going to the Big 12? At least in the big 12 you get national exposure Instead of the same ol same ol West coast centric crap we’ve been seeing for the last 10 yrs. That would be a real shi*** scenario none of them offers anything period!