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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues

ahoelsken said:
Yes. Kliavkoff has been playing 4d chess this whole time and we had no idea.

He's such a hack. So is Canzano. The kind of arrogance is why the Pac 12-3 is now in this spot.
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The conference that:

- commanded the largest media contract in college sports after expanding to 12
- refused to sell a percentage of its network to a media giant like the B1G did to drive distribution, avoid all of those infrastructure costs, and draw almost pure profit with little expense against it
- located its production studios in the Bay Area despite literally having Hollywood in your conference (or as an alternative, in Las Vegas which is low cost, in the geographic center of the conference, and is residence for many of the top event & showbiz people on the planet)
- located its corporate office in the financial district of San Francisco, one of the most outrageously expensive real estate & labor markets in the country
- located its football championship game in San Francisco with disastrous attendance which embarrassed the conference (later moved to Las Vegas, thankfully)
- refused to consider unequal revenue based on performance (like being picked up for national broadcasts or your regional PACN outperforming others) - which killed UT negotiations since the conference wouldn't give them extra for LHN among other things
- unbalanced the schedules by initially treating the CA schools differently by having them all play each other every year... but were too dumb to promote other rivalries which could have been done from the start with 3 regional pods & a championship game of the 2 highest finishers overall at the end instead of divisions
- wasted tremendous resources and squandered current opportunities by pursuing Asian markets including conference games in Australia and China and by focusing on tech companies for media deals long before they were ready to enter the sports business
- moved to a 9-game schedule with FCS opponents vigorously discouraged, which resulted in 54 extra losses from conference games each year along with a higher probability of non-conference losses with most members ending up with at least 1 additional FBS opponent per year
- voted against extending an invitation to OU and OSU because while each were R1 neither was AAU and they would have reduced academic prestige of the conference
- voted against moving on Big 12 and G5 targets when the Big 12 was completely destabilized (I have no doubt that at that time it could have become a Pac-16 through UH, TCU, OSU and KU)
- never was able to negotiate a "Conference Challenge" in hoops with any other Power 6 conference
- allowed a corrupt Commissioner organization which manipulated referees, grifted from the conference, and stole from cable partners
- likely voted against adding SDSU and SMU after media companies said they saw value in making DFW and SoCal part of the footprint
- failed the PR and branding side of things so badly that the conference was a national punchline despite having CFB media allies in Klatt and Fowler from CU alone

Wilner was a cheerleader and water carrier for all of this.
 
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skibum said:
No direct flights between Morgantown and Denver.

I'm only slightly joking; I do think WV and KjSU are the only B12 schools that lack daily direct flights from Denver to a nearby airport.
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75.2 miles from Pittsburgh to Morgantown.
121 miles from Kansas City to Manhattan.

Somewhat nearby, right, although a 121 mile drive in eastern Kansas might be a little boring.
 
Victory said:
I know. He doesn’t strike me as a deep thinker when it comes to this stuff. I believe what he meant was ESPN exposure (promotion + recognizable distribution) vs taking a chance on a new distributor (Apple) was the deciding factor. He made a point to say this wasn’t about money which leads me to believe the potential money may have been the same.
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How would the potential money be the same?
 
PAHIBuff said:
You seem to be taking this whole thing very personally. I don't understand that.
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I dont like it.


Seth Meyers Lol GIF by Late Night with Seth Meyers
 
Buffnik said:
- voted against moving on Big 12 and G5 targets when the Big 12 was completely destabilized (I have no doubt that at that time it could have become a Pac-16 through UH, TCU, OSU and KU)
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There was a time a few years ago that Tech, OSU, KU and TCU were coming. Board meetings were held and all the schools agreed. The only reason Houston is in the Big 12 is due to Texas politics.

Buffnik said:
- likely voted against adding SDSU and SMU after media companies said they saw value in making DFW and SoCal part of the footprint
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TBF SMU doesn't have a lot of a foot print in Dallas
 
Buffnik said:
The conference that:

- commanded the largest media contract in college sports after expanding to 12
- refused to sell a percentage of its network to a media giant like the B1G did to drive distribution, avoid all of those infrastructure costs, and draw almost pure profit with little expense against it
- located it's production studios in the Bay Area despite literally having Hollywood in your conference (or as an alternative, in Las Vegas which is low cost, in the geographic center of the conference, and is residence for many of the top event & showbiz people on the planet)
- located it's corporate office in the financial district of San Francisco, one of the most outrageously expensive real estate & labor markets in the country
- located its football championship game in San Francisco with disastrous attendance which embarrassed the conference (later moved to Las Vegas, thankfully)
- refused to consider unequal revenue based on performance (like being picked up for national broadcasts or your regional PACN outperforming others) - which killed UT negotiations since the conference wouldn't give them extra for LHN among other things
- unbalanced the schedules by initially treating the CA schools differently by having them all play each other every year... but we're too dumb to promote other rivalries which could have been done from the start with 3 regional pods & a championship game of the 2 highest finishers overall at the end instead of divisions
- wasted tremendous resources and squandered current opportunities by pursuing Asian markets including conference games in Australia and China and by focusing on tech companies for media deals long before they were ready to enter the sports business
- moved to a 9-game schedule with FCS opponents vigorously discouraged, which resulted in 54 extra losses from conference games each year along with a higher probability of non-conference losses with most members ending up with at least 1 additional FBS opponent per year
- voted against extending an invitation to OU and OSU because while each were R1 neither was AAU and they would have reduced academic prestige of the conference
- voted against moving on Big 12 and G5 targets when the Big 12 was completely destabilized (I have no doubt that at that time it could have become a Pac-16 through UH, TCU, OSU and KU)
- never was able to negotiate a "Conference Challenge" in hoops with any other Power 6 conference
- allowed a corrupt Commissioner organization which manipulated referees, grifted from the conference, and stole from cable partners
- likely voted against adding SDSU and SMU after media companies said they saw value in making DFW and SoCal part of the footprint
- failed the PR and branding side of things so badly that the conference was a national punchline despite having CFB media allies in Klatt and Fowler from CU alone

Wilner was a cheerleader and water carrier for all of this.
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Boom!!
 
PAHIBuff said:
75.2 miles from Pittsburgh to Morgantown.
121 miles from Kansas City to Manhattan.

Somewhat nearby, right, although a 121 mile drive in eastern Kansas might be a little boring.
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One of my favorite memories of driving in Kansas was driving to one of our pants in Iola and a Dairy Queen being labeled as a tourist attraction.

Super lit.
 
Buffnik said:
The conference that:

- commanded the largest media contract in college sports after expanding to 12
- refused to sell a percentage of its network to a media giant like the B1G did to drive distribution, avoid all of those infrastructure costs, and draw almost pure profit with little expense against it
- located it's production studios in the Bay Area despite literally having Hollywood in your conference (or as an alternative, in Las Vegas which is low cost, in the geographic center of the conference, and is residence for many of the top event & showbiz people on the planet)
- located it's corporate office in the financial district of San Francisco, one of the most outrageously expensive real estate & labor markets in the country
- located its football championship game in San Francisco with disastrous attendance which embarrassed the conference (later moved to Las Vegas, thankfully)
- refused to consider unequal revenue based on performance (like being picked up for national broadcasts or your regional PACN outperforming others) - which killed UT negotiations since the conference wouldn't give them extra for LHN among other things
- unbalanced the schedules by initially treating the CA schools differently by having them all play each other every year... but we're too dumb to promote other rivalries which could have been done from the start with 3 regional pods & a championship game of the 2 highest finishers overall at the end instead of divisions
- wasted tremendous resources and squandered current opportunities by pursuing Asian markets including conference games in Australia and China and by focusing on tech companies for media deals long before they were ready to enter the sports business
- moved to a 9-game schedule with FCS opponents vigorously discouraged, which resulted in 54 extra losses from conference games each year along with a higher probability of non-conference losses with most members ending up with at least 1 additional FBS opponent per year
- voted against extending an invitation to OU and OSU because while each were R1 neither was AAU and they would have reduced academic prestige of the conference
- voted against moving on Big 12 and G5 targets when the Big 12 was completely destabilized (I have no doubt that at that time it could have become a Pac-16 through UH, TCU, OSU and KU)
- never was able to negotiate a "Conference Challenge" in hoops with any other Power 6 conference
- allowed a corrupt Commissioner organization which manipulated referees, grifted from the conference, and stole from cable partners
- likely voted against adding SDSU and SMU after media companies said they saw value in making DFW and SoCal part of the footprint
- failed the PR and branding side of things so badly that the conference was a national punchline despite having CFB media allies in Klatt and Fowler from CU alone

Wilner was a cheerleader and water carrier for all of this.
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Yeah but can you fathom the horror a couple hundred to few thousand Californians will undergo now that their precious road trips to Corvallis, Tucson, and Pullman are gone?

That should outweigh that measly list you posted
 
Hallett Hell said:
A few gems from Wilner here:

"If a school participates in a conference for 12 years, wins no major championships, churns through five football coaches, then decides to leave, was it really ever there?" (didn't we win the MBB tournament the first year?)

"Also, CU’s departure is, at this moment, more about the psychological toll it could have on the remaining Pac-12 schools than any material damage sustained by the exit. The Buffaloes can be replaced, and easily so. They have made little competitive impact and lack the brand value and media market to kneecap the Pac-12 as it negotiates a broadcast contract." (Ha, we shall see. Hello Mountain West + Stanford).

"Of the 10 current members, Colorado is the only school the Pac-12 can lose in the realignment game without triggering either mass panic or a rush to the door that decimates the league." (do emergency meetings count as panic?)

"Our strong suspicion is that Kliavkoff has accounted for CU’s possible exit in his media rights negotiations and will pivot to Plan B." (ah yes, the media rights get better without Colorado).

"One president, DiStefano, took the option. Could others follow?" (is DeStefano our president now or is Jon Wilner a hack?)
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**** Wilner. He can eat a bag of dicks.
 
Was pleasantly surprised to see one of the regents is a Gaucho. My daughter just graduated from UCSB. What an incredible place. Sorry for the completely irrelevant post. Yeah, **** Buc-ees.
 
PAHIBuff said:
75.2 miles from Pittsburgh to Morgantown.
121 miles from Kansas City to Manhattan.

Somewhat nearby, right, although a 121 mile drive in eastern Kansas might be a little boring.
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Pullman - 290 miles from Seattle,
78 miles from Spokane (which doesn't have too many connections)
 
skibum said:
No direct flights between Morgantown and Denver.

I'm only slightly joking; I do think WV and KjSU are the only B12 schools that lack daily direct flights from Denver to a nearby airport.
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I don't think Boulder has a direct flight to LA either.
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DIA to Boulder = 42 minutes
Pittsburgh International to Morgantown = 1+18
 
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Buffnik said:
If Utah gets screwed, I actually hate that in a lot of ways. They pretty much did everything right.

Strangely enough, a strong case can be made that the 3 schools who hurt the Pac-12 by severely underperforming their history and potential were USC, UCLA and CU.
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They did one thing wrong though. They were loyal to a dying company. They should have skipped town asap for the first lifeboat

No one told you to be loyal to Sears/Kmart
 
Corey Trevorson said:
One of my favorite memories of driving in Kansas was driving to one of our pants in Iola and a Dairy Queen being labeled as a tourist attraction.

Super lit.
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It's 113.8 miles from Manhattan, KS to Cawker City, KS. Might be worth it to see a GIANT ball of twine. Tourist attractions in Kansas are few & far between, though I'm sure the people there are very nice.

8 Wonders of Kansas Overall | Ball of Twine, Cawker City Kansas Sampler Foundation

8 Wonders of Kansas Overall | Ball of Twine, Cawker City Kansas Sampler Foundation
kansassampler.org kansassampler.org


Ice Cream Cone GIF by Dairy Queen
 
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