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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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I said that was gonna make Message Board Geniuses back on Wednesday.
HOooollllyyyyy ****e
Mods: Suggest changing Tatanka's user name to "MBG Mod"I said that was gonna make Message Board Geniuses back on Wednesday.
Especially if the pie doesn't keep growing. It's not as easy to be generous when the money is tight. This is coming fast and it's going to get nasty.
I'd welcome Penn State, though (the ACC should've done whatever necessary to get them -- I think that would've been a move most likely to save that conference)
I think we’re in a good place now to go and become the dominant football program in the Big 12. At least we can have a winning record.
It doesn’t work with the current landscape of college football but does anyone else wish we could click our heels together and go back to the original Big 8 or original big 12?
The regional aspect of college football is gone. In high school football, did most of us have a rival in the same city or nearby city? It made for good bragging rights and fun rivalries. College football had that in the big 8, pac 8/10, ACC, etc. Now it’s gone. Maybe it comes back some day?
It doesn’t work with the current landscape of college football but does anyone else wish we could click our heels together and go back to the original Big 8 or original big 12?
The regional aspect of college football is gone. In high school football, did most of us have a rival in the same city or nearby city? It made for good bragging rights and fun rivalries. College football had that in the big 8, pac 8/10, ACC, etc. Now it’s gone. Maybe it comes back some day?
Sun Belt would be #3 only because it feels weird to put them at #1. No conference has improved itself as much.
yup. Pie gets smaller or even stays the same and the top 50-75% of the B1G will throw as many teams as they need to under the bus.
See. It could be a lot worse than being "second class citizens" in the B12. Lol
Free Sandals University
We have a chance to exprience this in the new B12 with UA, ASU, Utah, BYU to our west and KU, KSU, OSU, and TT to our east. While the AZ schools and TT are not technically border states, they are close enough.
The Cougs (WSU) are the only team I really feel bad for in all of this shuffling.
At this point the B1G and the SEC have no need of the NCAA. They could very easily step out with their own governing body.
At that point they would then (and the money would dictate they have the power) vet additional schools who wanted to become a part of their organization, and the price to join would be fairly steep.
In the end you end up with something in the range of 35-45 schools who are in the money and everyone else on the outside looking in.
They could keep the B1G and SEC designations for marketing and tradition but don't be shocked if in the process they dissolve those "conferences" allowing them to dump the programs that they don't see as worthy (revenue generating) enough to justify membership. Could see 3-4 from each kicked to the curb.
This would create an interesting situation in basketball with the money that the tourney generates. Even though they don't dominate in basketball like they do in football they have the financial power to dictate rules. Might be that they make the umbrella of the organization larger for sports other than football allowing membership but not shares of football revenue to schools like Kansas, UConn, Duke, Gonzaga, etc.
You can cheer them on as they play conference games at CSU and Air Force in the future.
He specifically said “Penn”. Totally different institution from Penn State.
also totally different institution than Pitt, yet, here we are
I meant Pitt. My bad.
Maybe they knew something all along by scheduling a game in Fort Fun this season
This potentially could be the death kill to both Cal and WSU athletics. They are both in massive athletics debt. Moving to the MWC is really not an option. Barely breaking even will not be sustainable and both Schools may just decide to take on that debt. Adding more debt from athletics programs that are losing money or breaking even is really not an option. Crazy
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I have a hard time thinking there was ever a real path for us to the big at this time.
And like the other pac schools other than uo and uw we didn’t want to be held hostage by uw and uo.
I wish the pac could have found a way.
With the addition of the 4 corners the big 12 has a lot of teams who have been competitive and who have the potential to compete for it all.
The whole thing sucks. I wouldn’t say we are permanently second class but we are definitely not at the big kid table now.
And like the other pac schools other than uo and uw we didn’t want to be held hostage by uw and uo.
I wish the pac could have found a way.
With the addition of the 4 corners the big 12 has a lot of teams who have been competitive and who have the potential to compete for it all.
The whole thing sucks. I wouldn’t say we are permanently second class but we are definitely not at the big kid table now.
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steaming service
technically AZ is a border state but just by a few inches.
it really is a tough spot. If it wasn’t for Coach Prime, that could be us. The place it really is tough too is for all those players from WSU and Cal. will they flood the portal next year to get out and then those programs will really be struggling.
We definitely aren’t but the good news is that this isn’t the endgame and we still have a chance. The wheels will spin again in a few years and this is all setting up the chess board for the endgame. I don’t know when the endgame comes but we need to ****ing kill it on the field to make us an indispensable piece when the wheels spin again. And maybe do so for the final time.
From cals wikipedia about their stadium financing. They are fuxked.
"For the stadium's $321 million renovation and a new $153 million Student-Athlete High Performance Center, the university incurred a controversial $445 million of debt, which it planned to finance with the sale of special stadium seats in the Endowment Seating Program. Before the start of the stadium reconstruction, Professor Brian Barsky showed that the financial plan was unrealistic and calculated that although $215 million had been claimed to have been raised as of January 15, 2010, the true figure was closer to only about $20 million as of December 2010, and that the total financial obligation including interest would exceed a billion dollars.[30][31] His calculations were subsequently corroborated by the Wall Street Journal,[32] which reported in April 2012 that only $31 million had been received as of the end of December 2011; this was followed by further reporting of poor seat sales in the Endowment Seating Program.[33][34] As of June 30, 2016, the fund balance was $60.98 million, far short of the $215 million that had been claimed five years earlier. The roughly $18 million interest-only annual payments on the debt consumes 20% of Cal's athletics budget and 15% of the campus structural deficit;[35] principal repayment begins in 2032 when the annual debt payment will rise to about $26 million per year, about $28 million in 2033, about $30 million per year for 2034–2038, and about $37 million per year for 2039–2044. The debt payments are scheduled to continue for 100 years from its 2013 inception, concluding in 2113.[34] On November 3, 2017, Chancellor Carol Christ announced that the university would overtake the earthquake retrofitting expenses part of the renovation. This amount is estimated to be approximately 60 percent of the total expenses or $200 million with the remaining expenses still being retained by the athletic department. Exactly where in the budget the funds would be taken was not announced, although the chancellor did state that they would not be taken out of student tuition or tax-payer funds for the university. It was not ruled out that the money could be taken out of funds for academic departments.[36]"
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"For the stadium's $321 million renovation and a new $153 million Student-Athlete High Performance Center, the university incurred a controversial $445 million of debt, which it planned to finance with the sale of special stadium seats in the Endowment Seating Program. Before the start of the stadium reconstruction, Professor Brian Barsky showed that the financial plan was unrealistic and calculated that although $215 million had been claimed to have been raised as of January 15, 2010, the true figure was closer to only about $20 million as of December 2010, and that the total financial obligation including interest would exceed a billion dollars.[30][31] His calculations were subsequently corroborated by the Wall Street Journal,[32] which reported in April 2012 that only $31 million had been received as of the end of December 2011; this was followed by further reporting of poor seat sales in the Endowment Seating Program.[33][34] As of June 30, 2016, the fund balance was $60.98 million, far short of the $215 million that had been claimed five years earlier. The roughly $18 million interest-only annual payments on the debt consumes 20% of Cal's athletics budget and 15% of the campus structural deficit;[35] principal repayment begins in 2032 when the annual debt payment will rise to about $26 million per year, about $28 million in 2033, about $30 million per year for 2034–2038, and about $37 million per year for 2039–2044. The debt payments are scheduled to continue for 100 years from its 2013 inception, concluding in 2113.[34] On November 3, 2017, Chancellor Carol Christ announced that the university would overtake the earthquake retrofitting expenses part of the renovation. This amount is estimated to be approximately 60 percent of the total expenses or $200 million with the remaining expenses still being retained by the athletic department. Exactly where in the budget the funds would be taken was not announced, although the chancellor did state that they would not be taken out of student tuition or tax-payer funds for the university. It was not ruled out that the money could be taken out of funds for academic departments.[36]"