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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues

The shuttering of more niche degrees and departments isn't that much of a surprise. Universities at the end of the day are businesses and consumer preferences dictate what is kept around. Programs with a more limited appeal moving to specialized institutions are likely to escalate as demographics lower college applicants and internet-based delivery becomes even more of a norm. A shift away from the humanities is a long-standing one due to the employment market favoring STEM for decades at this point in high-paying positions.
Universities were not designed to be businesses. Moving away from Humanities based study is simply part of the denigration of critical thought.
 
Not a very good look for the conference: WVU cuts 32 programs, no more foreign languages. Sad stuff.

Gordon Gee? Now where do I remember that name from? :unsure:

This is going to happen at more schools and yet the football schools are going to bring in the cash to support their academics.
 
Universities were not designed to be businesses. Moving away from Humanities based study is simply part of the denigration of critical thought.

They may not have been designed to be businesses, but it was what they are in America for the most part. The humanities are important but do not pay their bills in their more specialized forms for most institutions. For many students higher education is just a means to better job prospects and not done out of a love for knowledge or education. Sadly the balance between the higher ideals of the university and its role as employment training was decided long ago.
 
Not a very good look for the conference: WVU cuts 32 programs, no more foreign languages. Sad stuff.

FWIW I have been using Dualingo to learn Spanish before my trip to Honduras next spring and I am shocked at how much more effective and engaging it is that high school Spanish.

I’m on day 57 and I feel like I have learned far more than I did in two years of high school Spanish.

The app claims to have more people using it than in all of the Spanish classes combined (or something to that effect).

They also claim to have built the program using scientific research to develop a methodology that correlates to how the brain functions and learns.

If all of this is true I can definitely see a time when class room learning of languages is on its way out. Hopefully they will find a way to retain the study of foreign literature.
 
They may not have been designed to be businesses, but it was what they are in America for the most part. The humanities are important but do not pay their bills in their more specialized forms for most institutions. For many students higher education is just a means to better job prospects and not done out of a love for knowledge or education. Sadly the balance between the higher ideals of the university and its role as employment training was decided long ago.
Yes, it was decided four decades ago when people believed the lie that tax cuts for the rich produces wealth for all.
 
How are LSU and UTK that low, and how is Stanford that high? And his do people keep making the argument that conference realignment is about eyeballs if Stanford is sitting there in this list?

Stanford is there because they play the team at the top of the list, the team with the highest viewership, every year. They also played four other teams on that list in conference.
 
Stanford is there because they play the team at the top of the list, the team with the highest viewership, every year. They also played four other teams on that list in conference.
That graphic doesn't take into account that their are 2 teams that matter in viewership.
 
Stanford is there because they play the team at the top of the list, the team with the highest viewership, every year. They also played four other teams on that list in conference.

This regarding Stanford, they have a guaranteed national game every year plus their USC game is usually national and then throw in one or 2 others against UCLA and/or Oregon. They also had an ABC game against Northwestern one year. As for Tenn and LSU the Vols weren't that good until last year and LSU had the one great season but the SEC teams don't really get a whole lot of opportunities outside of the CBS game of the week plus they they also have a limit on how many times a team can be on the CBS game each season. Plus this list doesn't include ESPN games.
 
Think this is the right thread for this ...

Jay Bilas on his soap box again and while this schtick of his gets annoying he makes some interesting points here
I’ll have to take your word for it since it’s on ESPN’s “pay” site.
 
I’ll have to take your word for it since it’s on ESPN’s “pay” site.
Let me summarize. Universities are capitalist organizations in competition with one another for media dollars. They really only care about student-athletes and anything other than money in sports insofar that it doesn’t bring them negative publicity, but delivers maximum cash. For anyone reading this site faithfully over the years, there is nothing new.

[I would go a step further than Mr. Bilas and suggest that higher education is one of the more predatory industries in the United States, perhaps even more so than more heavily criticized industries like banking or healthcare, which have dubious records themselves.]
 
Heh



1. KSU ☝️
2. Zona ☝️
3. Utes ☝️
4. ASU
5. BYU
6. UXF
7. WVU
8. Cincy
9. KU
9. ISU
9. OkSU
9. BYU
9. We might not play a single game all year in Texas.

I do not have any interest in a rivalry with Utah, they have never moved the needle for me. I would prefer to put OSU as a rival. KSU did become a little of a rival in the old big 12 under Snyder, but I am old enough to remember when KSU was the worse team in College Football for decades. KU, ISU and KSU are the only schools left from the Old Big 12 North Division - I hated Missouri and Nebraska more than those schools.
 
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1. KSU ☝️
2. Zona ☝️
3. Utes ☝️
4. ASU
5. BYU
6. UXF
7. WVU
8. Cincy
9. KU
9. ISU
9. OkSU
9. BYU
9. We might not play a single game all year in Texas.

I can't say that I mind this, actually.

  • All 3 of the rivals make geographic sense
    • Colorado at least touches every state the in which a rival is located
    • KSU and Utah are the closest campuses to CU, if you don't double up on Utah schools
    • You could quibble a little with the Arizona selection, but it makes more sense from a competitive balance perspective
  • From a competitive balance perspective, you get
    • 1 Team that's usually "Good to Very Good" (Utah)
    • 1 Team that's usually "Mediocre to Good" (KSU)
    • 1 Team that's usually "Mediocre" (AZ)
  • I sincerely doubt that the schedulers would put all 4 of Baylor/TCU/TT/UH on one side of the remaining 6 team "non-rival" portion of CU's conference schedule. The best way to do it would be to split those teams into pairs of two, and give each team in the conference a pair on each side of the 6 team non-rival schedule, and alternate home and away. That would give every team in conference at least one game per year in TX.
 
I do not have any interest in a rivalry with Utah, they have never moved the needle for me. I would prefer to put OSU as a rival. KSU did become a little of a rival in the old big 12 under Snyder, but I am old enough to remember when KSU was the worse team in College Football for decades. KU, ISU and KSU are the only schools left from the Old Big 12 North Division - I hated Missouri and Nebraska more than those schools.

did you know a rivalry used to exist?


probably not since a 49 year gap between games would make things easy to forget. Utah tends to be good and were 2-10 against them since 2011
 
did you know a rivalry used to exist?


probably not since a 49 year gap between games would make things easy to forget. Utah tends to be good and were 2-10 against them since 2011
Yes, but that is ancient and non-relevant history. At one time our biggest rivals were Colorado School of Mines, DU and Colorado College. I am probably one of the oldest members on this board but the Utah rivalry was before my time.

IMO, you cannot manufacturer a rival. A rival is a team that the very mention of their name is like someone's finger nails on a blackboard, super annoying. Nebraska and Oklahoma did that for me back in the old Big 8 days - I remember in 1971 season when we ended the season ranked #3 behind Nebraska and OU, that was our best year before coach MAC and we still were behind them.
 
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Yes, but that is ancient and non-relevant history. At one time our biggest rivals were Colorado School of Mines, DU and Colorado College. I am probably one of the oldest members on this board but the Utah rivalry was before my time.

IMO, you cannot manufacturer a rival. A rival is a that the very mention of their name is like someone's finger nails on a blackboard, super annoying. Nebraska and Oklahoma did that for me back in the old Big 8 days - I remember in 1971 season when we ended the season ranked #3 behind Nebraska and OU, that was our best year before coach MAC and we still were behind them.
As mentioned earlier (I think in this thread), is that while CO and UT are border states, the university locations aren't close and there aren't a lot of Utah folks who have moved to Den/Bldr or CU folks who have moved to SLC. That makes it really hard to build a rivalry. We have a lot more cross germination with NE, KS, MO, OK, TX, AZ & CA for talking smack at the water cooler or in the neighborhood.
 
As mentioned earlier (I think in this thread), is that while CO and UT are border states, the university locations aren't close and there aren't a lot of Utah folks who have moved to Den/Bldr or CU folks who have moved to SLC. That makes it really hard to build a rivalry. We have a lot more cross germination with NE, KS, MO, OK, TX, AZ & CA for talking smack at the water cooler or in the neighborhood.
In the case of ****ers, I mean Fuskers, it's smack at the counter of the local Conoco
 
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