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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues

patebuff said:
OSU and WSU AD's have massive debt in the near future. They are beyond screwed and I wouldn't be surprised if WSU ends up having to close down their athletic department at some point in the next 10 years. There is no way out for them.
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I keep seeing calls on other social media to add them to the Big 12.

That has emotional appeal, but I can't logically make the case that they bring more national appeal or match the long-term upside of SDSU, Boise State, Fresno State, UNLV, Memphis, UConn or USF. And that's before we even talk about leaving room & keeping options open in case the ACC has max exodus in the near future.
 
The Schools/Boosters/Franchise Partner model needs to rise up above PE or the Networks and fast!
The NFL model is 50/50 player-team correct.
Do not need a middle man league ownership model.
If the Broncos are worth 4.65 Billion, then the Franchise value for CU is at least $1 Billion, so could CU mobilize the Boosters/Fans to raise $500,000,000 via actual ownership stock or whatever?
Fund the new Super League with 48 teams x $500k = $24 Billion.
Run it as a Collective and not a for-profit PE model
 
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4BienemyTDs said:
The Schools/Boosters/Franchise Partner model needs to rise up above PE or the Networks and fast!
The NFL model is 50/50 player-team correct.
Do not need a middle man league ownership model.
If the Broncos are worth 4.65 Billion, then the Franchise value for CU is at least $1 Billion, so could CU mobilize the Boosters/Fans to raise $500,000 via actual ownership stock or whatever?
Fund the new Super League with 48 teams x $500k = $24 Billion.
Run it as a Collective and not a for-profit PE model
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May want to check your math, Chiefy
 
Buffnik said:
I keep seeing calls on other social media to add them to the Big 12.

That has emotional appeal, but I can't logically make the case that they bring more national appeal or match the long-term upside of SDSU, Boise State, Fresno State, UNLV, Memphis, UConn or USF. And that's before we even talk about leaving room & keeping options open in case the ACC has max exodus in the near future.
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The issue with this is when you are cutting more pieces out of a pie that pie has to get larger in order for each piece to be at least as big.

None of the schools on your list (sorry but SDSU and UNLV don't drive numbers) add enough value to make up for what they take from each of the other schools in the conference.

The B1G took the 4 PAC schools they took for one reason. In their view by having coast to coast content to sell with schools that have a track record of generating viewership numbers they could make the package worth more for all the schools. The schools on your list don't do that.

If the top schools that aren't already a part of the big 2 conferences want to have any hope of trying to keep up they need to trim away the fat, not add to it.

If the big 2 don't eventually skim of the remaining high value programs leaving the rest to flounder don't be surprised if those top schools don't break off and abandon the bottom half of the programs they have brought in already.
 
MtnBuff said:
The issue with this is when you are cutting more pieces out of a pie that pie has to get larger in order for each piece to be at least as big.

None of the schools on your list (sorry but SDSU and UNLV don't drive numbers) add enough value to make up for what they take from each of the other schools in the conference.

The B1G took the 4 PAC schools they took for one reason. In their view by having coast to coast content to sell with schools that have a track record of generating viewership numbers they could make the package worth more for all the schools. The schools on your list don't do that.

If the top schools that aren't already a part of the big 2 conferences want to have any hope of trying to keep up they need to trim away the fat, not add to it.

If the big 2 don't eventually skim of the remaining high value programs leaving the rest to flounder don't be surprised if those top schools don't break off and abandon the bottom half of the programs they have brought in already.
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I'm not saying to add them. I'm saying I can't justify adding OSU/WSU because they're worse-positioned investments.
 
4BienemyTDs said:
The Schools/Boosters/Franchise Partner model needs to rise up above PE or the Networks and fast!
The NFL model is 50/50 player-team correct.
Do not need a middle man league ownership model.
If the Broncos are worth 4.65 Billion, then the Franchise value for CU is at least $1 Billion, so could CU mobilize the Boosters/Fans to raise $500,000 via actual ownership stock or whatever?
Fund the new Super League with 48 teams x $500k = $24 Billion.
Run it as a Collective and not a for-profit PE model
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Many assumptions there - and many of them flawed. I won't get into your math - but once you get into public ownership instead of the present model you will have a totally different business model with players becoming employees. Also the comparison to the Broncos has my head spinning. I do not think CU is worth a Billion - calculate it anyway you want but you do not get there.
 
BlackNGold said:
Many assumptions there - and many of them flawed. I won't get into your math - but once you get into public ownership instead of the present model you will have a totally different business model with players becoming employees. Also the comparison to the Broncos has my head spinning. I do not think CU is worth a Billion - calculate it anyway you want but you do not get there.
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I have previously mentioned the Bundesliga model for ownership
The University is the Enterprise owner of the Franchise
The Public contributes to the 50+1 model of ownership but has no say technically in the operation. You contribute, you support, but you do not really get a say beyond advisory if they were to form a leadership Board voted by the minority owners
 
The Academic people may really like this type of model, because it could move any and all responsibility for athletics away from the General Fund, and move it to the public contribution responsibility.

Why wouldn't the CU Buffs be worth $1 Billion?
Stadium, Practice Facility, Brand, Merchandise, TV, etc...
 
hawg1 said:
Why did NCSU flip? I’m just catching up.
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FLounder said:
They didn’t want to be WSU or OSU.
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Pretty much, plus this is a strategical move by the ACC to have enough members when FSU and Clemson find a way out to still have 15 members which will prevent ESPN from renegotiating the contract. And NCSU is 4th in the pecking order (at best) when it comes to being an attractive addition to the B1G or SEC.
 
This move by the ACC is definitely odd but I'm fine with it because it means the Big 12 won't be expanding any further to the west coast and therefore lessens the chance of late night games.

Regarding scheduling for non-revenue sports, they're saying that they want to play alot of games in Dallas to minimize travel. I'm guessing it would be something like a mini-tournament format with Stanford, Cal, SMU, and a few current ACC teams playing in a round robin schedule of softball, baseball, volleyball, field hockey, tennis, etc. type of events.
 
CarolinaBuff said:
Pretty much, plus this is a strategical move by the ACC to have enough members when FSU and Clemson find a way out to still have 15 members which will prevent ESPN from renegotiating the contract. And NCSU is 4th in the pecking order (at best) when it comes to being an attractive addition to the B1G or SEC.
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Since we know some ACC members were looking for an out, I wonder if adding Stanford, CAL and SMU constitutes a change of circumstances under contract law. I could see a few law firms burning up associate hours looking for precedent.
 
BlackNGold said:
Since we know some ACC members were looking for an out, I wonder if adding Stanford, CAL and SMU constitutes a change of circumstances under contract law. I could see a few law firms burning up associate hours looking for precedent.
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The SMU component just feels so dirty
No revenues at all?
Boosters paying to be competitive
Pathetic
I do think the Big12 is moving ahead of the ACC moving forward
 
Can the Big12 essentially do an inside takeover of the Pac12 with the votes of the 4 that moved and WSU and OSU?
Bribe USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington to vote along with the other 6 (CU, UU, ASU, UA, WSU, OSU to fold the PAC12 into the Big12 as long as they take OSU and WSU and then use the assets and credits to pay for the difference
 
4BienemyTDs said:
Can the Big12 essentially do an inside takeover of the Pac12 with the votes of the 4 that moved and WSU and OSU?
Bribe USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington to vote along with the other 6 (CU, UU, ASU, UA, WSU, OSU to fold the PAC12 into the Big12 as long as they take OSU and WSU and then use the assets and credits to pay for the difference
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Alfred91 said:
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Oregon State and Washington State are all that is left
But, the other schools could give them the gift of a P5 home, by voting to let the Big12 take the Pac12 assets with them as their way to have revenue. If the PAC12 is worth, say $50 Million, then that amount gets paid to OSU and WSU for a few years
Isn't there some kind of Championship Credits?
 
4BienemyTDs said:
Can the Big12 essentially do an inside takeover of the Pac12 with the votes of the 4 that moved and WSU and OSU?
Bribe USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington to vote along with the other 6 (CU, UU, ASU, UA, WSU, OSU to fold the PAC12 into the Big12 as long as they take OSU and WSU and then use the assets and credits to pay for the difference
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No. There really isn't a Pac 12 at this point in time. Kliavkoff and the conference leadership basically don't have anything to do but host one more round of championships. IIRC, I think Canzano and people like him are referring to the stuff associated with the conference networks....which really isn't that valuable. The Big 10, SEC, and ACC all have their own already. The Big 12 doesn't have a conference network, but alot of their tier 3 content ends up on ESPN+......which might be better because Disney offered Disney+, that, and the commercial version of Hulu for $13 a month or whatever for so long.

The Pac 12's demise is all FOX-the four biggest brands in what was the Pac 12 are now in the Big 10. FOX likely engineered CU going first to the Big 12. I think CU's first two games under Prime both being on Big Noon Kickoff have been very telling. They think Prime wins big here IMO. If I'm Oregon State or Washington State, I'd probably try and take FOX in particular to court. Making some noise about a lawsuit could get FOX to go to the Big 12 and say we'll pay for them at $20M.....but I don't think I even want that as a CU fan. Three Pac 12 schools following us was more than enough. We have enough as a league in those three and BYU to only have to play once or twice a year in that window, and that's plenty.
 
4BienemyTDs said:
Oregon State and Washington State are all that is left
But, the other schools could give them the gift of a P5 home, by voting to let the Big12 take the Pac12 assets with them as their way to have revenue. If the PAC12 is worth, say $50 Million, then that amount gets paid to OSU and WSU for a few years
Isn't there some kind of Championship Credits?
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I thought the point was that all the teams that left still have the ability to vote within the P12 Conf., therefore would vote to reband with a few teams from the ACC once that crumbled.
 
Buffnik said:
I keep seeing calls on other social media to add them to the Big 12.

That has emotional appeal, but I can't logically make the case that they bring more national appeal or match the long-term upside of SDSU, Boise State, Fresno State, UNLV, Memphis, UConn or USF. And that's before we even talk about leaving room & keeping options open in case the ACC has max exodus in the near future.
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They've always belonged in the Mountain West. They've been leeches for decades. OSU operates at a deficit every single year. The Oregon tax payers have put something like 75 million into their AD the last 20 years. **** em, they're the WNBA of power conference programs.
 
CUAviator said:
A) is it bad that I prefer being in the Big XII than the ACC?
2) Isn’t Stanford smart enough to see what’s going on in the ACC, and just remain independent for a bit until the ACC crumbles? (Screw Berkeley).
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Big 12 worked out great for Colorado.

Legit P4 conference with stability and amazingly regional.

We’ve got:
Utah
BYU
ASU
Arizona
Kansas
KSU
OSU
Bailer
Houston
TCU
Texas Tech

All in neighboring states (Texas is basically neighboring).

Stanford/Cal going to a conference for basically no revenue, where the nearest opponent is thousands of miles away is dumber than ****.
 
Dark Bohner said:
Big 12 worked out great for Colorado.

Legit P4 conference with stability and amazingly regional.

We’ve got:
Utah
BYU
ASU
Arizona
Kansas
KSU
OSU
Bailer
Houston
TCU
Texas Tech

All in neighboring states (Texas is basically neighboring).

Stanford/Cal going to a conference for basically no revenue, where the nearest opponent is thousands of miles away is dumber than ****.
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Oh I agree. I think what you have to credit CU for is focusing on what was best for itself.....like RG said to the media in Fort Worth yesterday. What that was became pretty obvious after Yormark started doing circles around GK.

Given how pivotal the next decade likely is to getting into a super conference.... we're in really good shape. The basketball here is going to be unreal, but this is a league that Prime can dominate in football. Yormark is a proactive decision maker. That's huge to me.

We set ourselves up the best we could go get into the Big 10 or SEC.....let's go get results.
 
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