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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues


So, Clemson lawyers found a loophole (allegedly) and are out in the coming months. South Carolina wants to block them from the SEC, but they'll have as much luck as aTm & Arkansas did trying to block Texas.

Florida State & North Carolina were the other universities that voted with Clemson against the ACC expansion. So, let's assume the SEC is going to match the B1G at 20 by adding 4.

1. Clemson
2. Florida State
3. North Carolina

Who would you pick for #4?

Miami is an all-time great and would freeze the B1G out of its territory. I think that's the move.

Sleeper pick I like for the SEC is VA Tech. Makes sense with the conference's regional/ cultural model, has a 65k stadium that makes it on par with the bottom third of the conference, expands footprint for recruiting & media into a big state, and I think could be a natural rivalry to develop with Tennessee. But if tv is driving the decision (and I'm sure that it mostly is), the SEC is going to be told in no uncertain terms that Miami is more valuable & marketable than every other ACC program besides Notre Dame & they'll get the call.

Regarding VT, despite their struggles this season they just announced that they've sold out a game against Wake next month. Granted it's their homecoming game but still.
 
Regarding VT, despite their struggles this season they just announced that they've sold out a game against Wake next month. Granted it's their homecoming game but still.
Sarcastic Season 9 GIF by The Office
 

So, Clemson lawyers found a loophole (allegedly) and are out in the coming months. South Carolina wants to block them from the SEC, but they'll have as much luck as aTm & Arkansas did trying to block Texas.

Florida State & North Carolina were the other universities that voted with Clemson against the ACC expansion. So, let's assume the SEC is going to match the B1G at 20 by adding 4.

1. Clemson
2. Florida State
3. North Carolina

Who would you pick for #4?

Miami is an all-time great and would freeze the B1G out of its territory. I think that's the move.

Sleeper pick I like for the SEC is VA Tech. Makes sense with the conference's regional/ cultural model, has a 65k stadium that makes it on par with the bottom third of the conference, expands footprint for recruiting & media into a big state, and I think could be a natural rivalry to develop with Tennessee. But if tv is driving the decision (and I'm sure that it mostly is), the SEC is going to be told in no uncertain terms that Miami is more valuable & marketable than every other ACC program besides Notre Dame & they'll get the call.
Reunite Colorado and our 10 million viewers per game with Oklahoma, Mizzou, Texas, and Aggy.
 

Confederate sympathizers[edit]​

During the late 1850's, many Southerners migrated to the Colorado Territory in search of new opportunities, including working in the newly discovered gold fields. When the War broke out, many returned to the South to defend their homes. However, some remained and formed militia groups in Fairplay, Leadville, Denver and Mace's Hole (present day Beulah). These Confederate Partisan Ranger units operated in the Colorado Territory from 1861 to 1865, raiding supply wagon trains, disrupting communications lines, recruiting volunteers, and skirmishing with Union troops. There were also pockets of strong support for the Confederacy in the mining areas and in the Arkansas River Valley, from Cañon City eastward to Lamar, and Cañon City southward to Trinidad.[2]

The first actual demonstration of opposition to the Union occurred in Denver on April 24, 1861 just a few days after the bombardment of Fort Sumter. Denver awakened to find the "Stars and Bars" had been raised over the Wallingford & Murphy store on Larimer Street. A turbulent pro-Union crowd soon gathered in front of the store, and demanded that the flag be taken down. The Southern adherents were equally determined that the flag should stay. A young man in the crowd, Samuel M. Logan, later a Captain in the First Colorado Volunteers, climbed to the roof of the store to remove the flag. There are conflicting reports as to what happened next; some say a compromise was reached and the flag was permitted to remain for one day, while others state the flag was removed.[3]

In 1861, when Confederate General Sibley organized his army to invade New Mexico, he commissioned Captain George Madison to go into Colorado with a twofold mission: disrupt federal mail and communication lines, and to help organize Confederate recruitment there. At this time, Confederate recruits in Colorado were first sent to a camp in the Pikes Peak area, and then sent to the main Confederate encampment at Mace's Hole. In early 1862, Captain Madison and his men captured mail en route to Ft. Garland. Madison was also actively planning a raid on Ft. Garland. Federal soldiers learned of the encampment at Mace's Hole and broke up the regiment while many of the Confederates were away. The Federals captured forty-four Confederates and took them to Denver.[4]

The "Reynolds Gang", a group of Southern sympathizers, operated in South Park in 1864. Their objective was to rob the gold mines in the area to help finance the Confederate government. However, their goal was never accomplished and the members were eventually captured. While the captured Southern sympathizers were being taken to Fort Lyon, the first stop on their way to Denver for a military trial, they attempted their escape. A gunfight ensued and three of the prisoners were killed. However, two managed to steal horses in the confusion and escaped to the New Mexico Territory.[5]

Other Colorado Confederate ties[edit]​

Colorado was the only non-Southern state to have two ex-Confederate Soldiers elected as state governors:

  • James B. Grant (Private, Company B, 20th Alabama Light Artillery Battalion, Confederate States of America) served as the 3rd Governor of Colorado from 1883 to 1885.[6]
  • Charles S. Thomas (Private, Georgia State Militia, Confederate States of America) served as the 11th Governor of Colorado from 1899 to 1901 and as a U.S. Senator from 1913 to 1921.[7]
  • Margaret Howell Davis Hayes, Confederate States of America President Jefferson Davis' daughter, and her husband, Joel Addison Hayes moved to Colorado Springs in 1885. As her husband rose in city banking circles, Margaret became involved with charitable causes and was a leading member of local society. After her death in 1909, Addison and the children took her ashes to Richmond to be interred with the Davis family at Hollywood Cemetery.[8]
Colorado is also the only non-Southern State to host a national convention of surviving Confederate Veterans. The national organization of the United Confederate Veterans (active from 1890 to 1951) held their 49th Reunion in Trinidad, Colorado from August 22–25, 1939.

SEC ready?
 

Confederate sympathizers[edit]​

During the late 1850's, many Southerners migrated to the Colorado Territory in search of new opportunities, including working in the newly discovered gold fields. When the War broke out, many returned to the South to defend their homes. However, some remained and formed militia groups in Fairplay, Leadville, Denver and Mace's Hole (present day Beulah). These Confederate Partisan Ranger units operated in the Colorado Territory from 1861 to 1865, raiding supply wagon trains, disrupting communications lines, recruiting volunteers, and skirmishing with Union troops. There were also pockets of strong support for the Confederacy in the mining areas and in the Arkansas River Valley, from Cañon City eastward to Lamar, and Cañon City southward to Trinidad.[2]

The first actual demonstration of opposition to the Union occurred in Denver on April 24, 1861 just a few days after the bombardment of Fort Sumter. Denver awakened to find the "Stars and Bars" had been raised over the Wallingford & Murphy store on Larimer Street. A turbulent pro-Union crowd soon gathered in front of the store, and demanded that the flag be taken down. The Southern adherents were equally determined that the flag should stay. A young man in the crowd, Samuel M. Logan, later a Captain in the First Colorado Volunteers, climbed to the roof of the store to remove the flag. There are conflicting reports as to what happened next; some say a compromise was reached and the flag was permitted to remain for one day, while others state the flag was removed.[3]

In 1861, when Confederate General Sibley organized his army to invade New Mexico, he commissioned Captain George Madison to go into Colorado with a twofold mission: disrupt federal mail and communication lines, and to help organize Confederate recruitment there. At this time, Confederate recruits in Colorado were first sent to a camp in the Pikes Peak area, and then sent to the main Confederate encampment at Mace's Hole. In early 1862, Captain Madison and his men captured mail en route to Ft. Garland. Madison was also actively planning a raid on Ft. Garland. Federal soldiers learned of the encampment at Mace's Hole and broke up the regiment while many of the Confederates were away. The Federals captured forty-four Confederates and took them to Denver.[4]

The "Reynolds Gang", a group of Southern sympathizers, operated in South Park in 1864. Their objective was to rob the gold mines in the area to help finance the Confederate government. However, their goal was never accomplished and the members were eventually captured. While the captured Southern sympathizers were being taken to Fort Lyon, the first stop on their way to Denver for a military trial, they attempted their escape. A gunfight ensued and three of the prisoners were killed. However, two managed to steal horses in the confusion and escaped to the New Mexico Territory.[5]

Other Colorado Confederate ties[edit]​

Colorado was the only non-Southern state to have two ex-Confederate Soldiers elected as state governors:

  • James B. Grant (Private, Company B, 20th Alabama Light Artillery Battalion, Confederate States of America) served as the 3rd Governor of Colorado from 1883 to 1885.[6]
  • Charles S. Thomas (Private, Georgia State Militia, Confederate States of America) served as the 11th Governor of Colorado from 1899 to 1901 and as a U.S. Senator from 1913 to 1921.[7]
  • Margaret Howell Davis Hayes, Confederate States of America President Jefferson Davis' daughter, and her husband, Joel Addison Hayes moved to Colorado Springs in 1885. As her husband rose in city banking circles, Margaret became involved with charitable causes and was a leading member of local society. After her death in 1909, Addison and the children took her ashes to Richmond to be interred with the Davis family at Hollywood Cemetery.[8]
Colorado is also the only non-Southern State to host a national convention of surviving Confederate Veterans. The national organization of the United Confederate Veterans (active from 1890 to 1951) held their 49th Reunion in Trinidad, Colorado from August 22–25, 1939.

SEC ready?
Made my point! Thanks! Unfortunately we have a history as well and not for the better.
 
@66BUFF

Looks like Colorado has some SEC cred there. One time I was driving south of Limon towards Ordway on CO 71 and I saw a home with a Confederate flag on a flag pole. So your research does have some merit to it.
 
BINGO!


Was waiting for the Arizona/Semisonic square:

“We saved our best for last,” [Bobby] Robbins said. “We’ve just got to make the best of what is a sad situation. It’s like the Semisonic song says: Every new beginning comes from some other beginning’s end.”
 
With the Big 12 considering taking in OSU/WSU and going to 18, that brings up the question of scheduling.

3 pods of 6 teams a piece, playing your 5 + 2 from each of the others is an obvious consideration.

What keeps throwing me off is that we would be in the central pod, not the west pod. The west pod would have BYU.

Might be better for recruiting to play in TX every year, just weird to think about.
 
With the Big 12 considering taking in OSU/WSU and going to 18, that brings up the question of scheduling.

3 pods of 6 teams a piece, playing your 5 + 2 from each of the others is an obvious consideration.

What keeps throwing me off is that we would be in the central pod, not the west pod. The west pod would have BYU.

Might be better for recruiting to play in TX every year, just weird to think about.
I don’t know what your pod map looks like, but yes, playing in Texas with those big tv set cities would be better all around
 
With the Big 12 considering taking in OSU/WSU and going to 18, that brings up the question of scheduling.

3 pods of 6 teams a piece, playing your 5 + 2 from each of the others is an obvious consideration.

What keeps throwing me off is that we would be in the central pod, not the west pod. The west pod would have BYU.

Might be better for recruiting to play in TX every year, just weird to think about.
Is there a link for any story about OSU/WSU to the big12? I haven’t heard that one
 
From a different thread:

Not that, though sure. I just don’t want to see OSU and WSU decimated. They deserve better. This whole conference situation sucks, man. And screw USC and UCLA forever. I call for a pox on them!

I’d imagine OSU and WSU will land somewhere.

My belief is that WSU and OSU settle their lawsuit with the Pac-12 in a way that allows them to keep the conference moniker, then they reverse merge with the Mountain West under a new Pac-?? brand. Best possible outcome for them, unfortunately.
 
From a different thread:



My belief is that WSU and OSU settle their lawsuit with the Pac-12 in a way that allows them to keep the conference moniker, then they reverse merge with the Mountain West under a new Pac-?? brand. Best possible outcome for them, unfortunately.
But good players at the P5 level on two ranked teams are not going to stay at a PAC 12 (really Mtn West) school.
 
Is there a link for any story about OSU/WSU to the big12? I haven’t heard that one
Also, if the conference wanted to expand, which of these do we think have the most value?

Oregon State
Washington State
UConn
USF
Memphis
SDSU
Fresno State
UNLV
Tulane
Georgia State
Boise State

I'm pretty high on USF as an AAU in FL with over 50k students. Perfect travel partner & rival for UCF.

But what I think the move is would be to stand pat and see what happens with the ACC. If someone is able to break the GOR without penalty, start extending invites.
 
But good players at the P5 level on two ranked teams are not going to stay at a PAC 12 (really Mtn West) school.

I think they much get one more year with whatever independent-ish season, but you're right - they're going to have an exodus.

Good chance at least OSU has their coach poached, too.
 
Also, if the conference wanted to expand, which of these do we think have the most value?

Oregon State
Washington State
UConn
USF
Memphis
SDSU
Fresno State
UNLV
Tulane
Georgia State
Boise State

I'm pretty high on USF as an AAU in FL with over 50k students. Perfect travel partner & rival for UCF.

But what I think the move is would be to stand pat and see what happens with the ACC. If someone is able to break the GOR without penalty, start extending invites.
Flat no on USF. They don’t support, play in a rental stadium, and have a history of bitchassedness.

We don’t need more Big 12 competition in Florida.
 
Flat no on USF. They don’t support, play in a rental stadium, and have a history of bitchassedness.

We don’t need more Big 12 competition in Florida.
Pretty sure they're building a stadium and I don't worry about competition as much as I see the benefit of being able to pitch that we'd be playing locally to those recruit families. I think USF, Memphis, Tulane and SDSU do the most for recruiting footprint among the G5s available.

Regardless, my real hope is that CU goes on a run of winning, national popularity and expansions the next 5 years that makes us a top target for both the B1G and SEC as they consider a 24-team model.
 
Pretty sure they're building a stadium and I don't worry about competition as much as I see the benefit of being able to pitch that we'd be playing locally to those recruit families. I think USF, Memphis, Tulane and SDSU do the most for recruiting footprint among the G5s available.

Regardless, my real hope is that CU goes on a run of winning, national popularity and expansions the next 5 years that makes us a top target for both the B1G and SEC as they consider a 24-team model.

**** all that ****.
 
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