The conference was dead when they had to settle for CU and Utah instead of getting Texas and Oklahoma.
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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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I tend to agree and have long thought that a B1G/SEC merger super conference outside the NCAA's jurisdiction is the most likely endgame.
I don't think it was a case of either or and they genuinely wanted all four, but I agree with your core point that it only was a matter of time after OU and Texas decided to stay as that essentially put the conference check mate regarding any future expansion.
No chance.
a) it generates way too much money on its own for it to die
b) the NFL has an increased interest in its existence as it's de facto an elite level minor league that produces NFL ready, elite level talent at no cost
It's safe to assume that it's gonna be different than what we've been used to, maybe way different, but at the end of a day the existence of a NFL minor league with its own, sometimes very large, fanbases is in way too many people's interest for it to die.
The people it helps most
Schools
Players
Fans
Have no say in this bull****
But
Conferences
CFP
ESPN and Fox
Decide everything
Will **** it up
So stupid
ahoelsken
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Didn't the Big East boot Temple?
Road trip to Lane Stadium ftw
Yes, the football version of the conference did
It got stuck
ahoelsken
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Only time I think I've seen a school get kicked out of a conference. We'll see what happens here-I mean I'd expect somebody like Vanderbilt to be willing to take a haircut in media revenue to stay where they are.
It’s Conference USA now.
I thought the story was….
an average deal comparable to the BXII was offered by ESPN/FOX….
GK presented it to the Presidents….
The presidents voted against it bc they thought the P12 was worth more.
So yeah. GK got screwed.
It’s a Power 2 now. And were not in it. Perhaps were in the conference closest to. But def not in it.
The job of the commissioner is to provide decisionmakers with a compelling vision for what’s next. He’s supposed to be the expert. He didn’t show it.
Big Jim
WTF?
At first I thought you meant ESPN. But then when you wrote about SMU and Memphis as conference mates it was clear you did mean ESP as they are not going to be in the B12 anytime soon.
So what year are you hearing that CU, SMU and Memphis will all be in the same conference on your ESP receiver?
I don’t think it would have mattered what GK said or what vision he had. Campus leadership had an unrealistic self worth.
They probably are doing that but in exchange for keeping sensitive conference records, they get a full media payout anyway.
I did mean ESPN - that was a typo on my phone.
Yes, I was surprised to learn that SMU and Memphis aren't in the Big XII. I actually have no idea who is in the conference, and assumed that they were.
One man’s opinion about the perceived value of UNC and UVA in expansion.
Football drives the train and UVA & UNC doesn't have much to offer in that regard except fertile recruiting grounds. Florida State and Norte Dame might be the only remaining non B1G and non SEC schools that moves the needle. But the TV executives have the money to offer so we should see what happens.
I don't care what anyone says here but we are fortunate to be in the Big 12.
I don't care what anyone says here but we are fortunate to be in the Big 12.
If they want to look at meaningless comparisons great.
Doesn't matter how big the local population or state population is if they don't care about college football or those particular teams in college football. Stanford's national championships in water polo and beach volleyball are meaningless in this context.
None of the four programs is a must have for the big two conferences but Cal and Stanford are lucky that the ACC took them, they were close to being left out with Oregon State and Wazzou.
I don't think we end up with 64+.
Expect that the top division will be 30-40 school that are all in on the business of football.
Can easily see Stanford and Cal deciding that the compromises necessary to compete at that level aren't compatible with being elite educational institutions similar to what the Ivy League did decades ago.
UNC based on their history including giving basketball players degree based on imaginary classes on the other hand will do everything they can to stay in the top classification.
But if they don't make enough money for the rest of the schools they will be out as well.
How many is the total in the final iteration? 40? There are 34 currently in the B1G/SEC. How many of those get booted; 4-6? So there could be room for 10-12 programs that are not currently part of it. Is CU among that group?
You can’t have a bunch of blue bloods fighting each other every week. They need a “league” that’s big enough to provide for scheduling a variety of opponents. 64 might be too high. It might be too low. It’s a number that would allow for a geographically disbursed group of schools. This is all pure conjecture, but 64 seems about right to me.
As much as the networks may love the idea, the schools and their fans have no interest at places like USC or Texas or Bama or Michigan or Notre Dame to play a schedule where an 8-4 record represents a damn fine season.