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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues

Bison said:
You are correct that attendance has been solid despite subpar performance by the football team. The fans have done everything to make CU relevant. The problem is the administration support over the years. Despite having a new system president that supports the football team and also a new chancellor, it's going to take years to change the overall perception of the CU administration from outside the CU alumni base and fan base.
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I believe that the core Admin support has completely gone for Football because it matters to the competition of getting students, and the Board is with us now. The repairs are being made rapidly, and institutional support is growing exponentially. The reason I have now realized that we HAVE to be in the B1G and why the Administration knows that is the Research Coalitions that exist there versus in the Big12. We all joked that it is the Truck Stop league, and ironically it is. We are the largest and most dedicated Research University in the group, and have lost the partnerships with folks like Washington and Stanford.

I do see us making a go of the Big12, and it might work, but I would ask the school to do everything possible to get into the B1G as soon as possible.
 
4BienemyTDs said:
I believe that the core Admin support has completely gone for Football because it matters to the competition of getting students, and the Board is with us now. The repairs are being made rapidly, and institutional support is growing exponentially. The reason I have now realized that we HAVE to be in the B1G and why the Administration knows that is the Research Coalitions that exist there versus in the Big12. We all joked that it is the Truck Stop league, and ironically it is. We are the largest and most dedicated Research University in the group, and have lost the partnerships with folks like Washington and Stanford.

I do see us making a go of the Big12, and it might work, but I would ask the school to do everything possible to get into the B1G as soon as possible.
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Next two years is going to be very important if CU is to join the B10 imo.

But I do still question CU's ability to compete in the B10 after dealing with Texas in the B12 and USC & UO in the P12. The B12 might be the best place for CU and it would be an easier road to the playoffs.
 
Bison said:
Next two years is going to be very important if CU is to join the B10 imo.

But I do still question CU's ability to compete in the B10 after dealing with Texas in the B12 and USC & UO in the P12. The B12 might be the best place for CU and it would be an easier road to the playoffs.
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But it is not 100% about winning or easiest path to the playoffs.
In order to get all the money both academically and athletically onboard, you must have the best strategic partners and that along with boosters is the original reason we went to the PAC. Now, we had to crawl back to the Big12, but in our heart of hearts and for the overall betterment of the brand and the budget and the football program long term, we need to be in the B1G 10. Sounds like the SEC is not likely going to want to have "Territory" be taken over by the B1G, so the big ACC brands would fit better in a 24 team SEC, and thus the remaining Big12 big brands would fit in the B1G

The B1G is at 18 schools, so adding Notre Dame, Stanford, Kansas, Colorado, and Arizona State finishes off any remaining populus areas, and they just have to choose one more, and that could be BYU or they quickly go and fight for Virginia or North Carolina.
 
InTheBuff said:
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Barbara Dunkelman Surprise GIF by Rooster Teeth
 
Here's a stab at a 56 member D1 broken into 4 14-team divisions.

Private/Parochial
Stanford
USC
BYU
Baylor
TCU
SMU
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Boston College
Syracuse
Duke
Wake Forest
Vanderbilt
Miami

West
Washington
Oregon
Cal
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Colorado
Nebraska
Kansas
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech

Central
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Michigan
Michigan State
Iowa
Illinois
Ohio State
Missouri
Arkansas
Indiana
Kentucky
Tennessee
LSU
Mississippi

East
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Clemson
South Carolina
North Carolina
NC State
Virginia
Maryland
Penn State
West Virginia

Scheduling for football:

3 fixed rivals in your Division you play every year
5 other Division games (2 years on/ 2 off for each)
3 games against other Divisions (1 each based on last year's order of finish)

16-team playoff tournament with the Division winners getting the top 4 seeds to reward with home games the first 2 rounds (only semis & championship played at neutral sites).

There are 17 weeks in September thru December.

You could play the regular season and playoffs in 15 weeks with this format, so everyone gets a bye week and then there's a week off before playoffs start.

With this, it's a 1-semester sport for ease of recruiting/portal/academic calendar alignment. Heck, you could even add Week Zero games to put it at 12 instead of 11, play a lower D1 team as a home opener that week, and still keep the calendar and schedule balance intact.

(I love the offseason.)
 
Buffnik said:
Here's a stab at a 56 member D1 broken into 4 14-team divisions.

Private/Parochial
Stanford
USC
BYU
Baylor
TCU
SMU
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Boston College
Syracuse
Duke
Wake Forest
Vanderbilt
Miami

West
Washington
Oregon
Cal
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Colorado
Nebraska
Kansas
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech

Central
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Michigan
Michigan State
Iowa
Illinois
Ohio State
Missouri
Arkansas
Indiana
Kentucky
Tennessee
LSU
Mississippi

East
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Clemson
South Carolina
North Carolina
NC State
Virginia
Maryland
Penn State
West Virginia

Scheduling for football:

3 fixed rivals in your Division you play every year
5 other Division games (2 years on/ 2 off for each)
3 games against other Divisions (1 each based on last year's order of finish)

16-team playoff tournament with the Division winners getting the top 4 seeds to reward with home games the first 2 rounds (only semis & championship played at neutral sites).

There are 17 weeks in September thru December.

You could play the regular season and playoffs in 15 weeks with this format, so everyone gets a bye week and then there's a week off before playoffs start.

With this, it's a 1-semester sport for ease of recruiting/portal/academic calendar alignment. Heck, you could even add Week Zero games to put it at 12 instead of 11, play a lower D1 team as a home opener that week, and still keep the calendar and schedule balance intact.

(I love the offseason.)
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I like your stab... and games breakdown. I would think 60, just b/c K-State, Iowa St., Okie State and VA Tech would be tough to keep out since just too many decent football seasons. I don't know how you balance the schedule/divisions with these teams in. IMO, Cal and Stanford have to decide whether they want to play major college football, especially with all the travel for the private schools.
 
GRM said:
I like your stab... and games breakdown. I would think 60, just b/c K-State, Iowa St., Okie State and VA Tech would be tough to keep out since just too many decent football seasons. I don't know how you balance the schedule/divisions with these teams in. IMO, Cal and Stanford have to decide whether they want to play major college football, especially with all the travel for the private schools.
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Iowa State? They have won a grand total of two conference championships in their history. The last one being over 110 years ago.
 
Since I don't feel like working, here's my guess for 2030 when the ACC gets poached and maybe collapses:

1. SEC, currently at 16 members, expands with an emphasis on controlling the high level football and brands in the South. They add UNC, NC State, Clemson, GA Tech, FSU and Miami to go to 22. There's a chance at 24 via UVA & VT.

2. B1G matches the SEC by adding 4 to also get to 22 via Cal, Stanford and then everything hinges on Notre Dame. If they accept, then there's room for 1 more. UVA would be the next choice (assumes SEC doesn't take them). The next tier is CU, Utah, ASU, UA, KU, Duke and Pitt all begging for entry.

3. Big 12 takes UConn and considers elevating SDSU, UNLV, USF or Memphis. Other than UConn (lock), the primary targets are the remaining ACC schools - at least Louisville, Syracuse, Boston College and Duke. I think there's a possibility that Wake chooses to relegate football to FCS (be like Villanova) or becomes football independents and joins the Big East for other sports.

4. Big 12 gets targeted by the Pac-12 in an attempt to be the best of the west after the B1G. It could actually shake out that between this and the ACC trying to survive that it's the Big 12 that gets broken apart.
 
Buffnik said:
Since I don't feel like working, here's my guess for 2030 when the ACC gets poached and maybe collapses:

1. SEC, currently at 16 members, expands with an emphasis on controlling the high level football and brands in the South. They add UNC, NC State, Clemson, GA Tech, FSU and Miami to go to 22. There's a chance at 24 via UVA & VT.

2. B1G matches the SEC by adding 4 to also get to 22 via Cal, Stanford and then everything hinges on Notre Dame. If they accept, then there's room for 1 more. UVA would be the next choice (assumes SEC doesn't take them). The next tier is CU, Utah, ASU, UA, KU, Duke and Pitt all begging for entry.

3. Big 12 takes UConn and considers elevating SDSU, UNLV, USF or Memphis. Other than UConn (lock), the primary targets are the remaining ACC schools - at least Louisville, Syracuse, Boston College and Duke. I think there's a possibility that Wake chooses to relegate football to FCS (be like Villanova) or becomes football independents and joins the Big East for other sports.

4. Big 12 gets targeted by the Pac-12 in an attempt to be the best of the west after the B1G. It could actually shake out that between this and the ACC trying to survive that it's the Big 12 that gets broken apart.
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The "New Pac 12" is nothing more than a glorified MWC. John Canzano and that ilk better wrap their heads around that.
 
ahoelsken said:
The "New Pac 12" is nothing more than a glorified MWC. John Canzano and that ilk better wrap their heads around that.
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Probably so.

One curveball with some possibility is that the B1G tries to poach aTm from the SEC and Aggie listens because they really don't like being considered UT's little brother in the same conference. In that scenario, the SEC does like TCU.
 
Buffnik said:
Since I don't feel like working, here's my guess for 2030 when the ACC gets poached and maybe collapses:

1. SEC, currently at 16 members, expands with an emphasis on controlling the high level football and brands in the South. They add UNC, NC State, Clemson, GA Tech, FSU and Miami to go to 22. There's a chance at 24 via UVA & VT.
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I would bet my left nut that one of the Virginia schools is, at minimum, within the SEC's top 4.
 
Dark Bohner said:
Definitely could see UVA in place of NC State.
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I think there's a great argument to be made for VT over UVA based on having more of an SEC fan culture, stadium environment and commitment to football success. Plus, it's geographically perfect to get a rivalry going with Tennessee. When they played at the NASCAR track, it was a very successful event which I'm not sure would have worked if it had been UT vs UVA.
 
Buffnik said:
Here's a stab at a 56 member D1 broken into 4 14-team divisions.

Private/Parochial
Stanford
USC
BYU
Baylor
TCU
SMU
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Boston College
Syracuse
Duke
Wake Forest
Vanderbilt
Miami

West
Washington
Oregon
Cal
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Colorado
Nebraska
Kansas
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech

Central
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Michigan
Michigan State
Iowa
Illinois
Ohio State
Missouri
Arkansas
Indiana
Kentucky
Tennessee
LSU
Mississippi

East
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Clemson
South Carolina
North Carolina
NC State
Virginia
Maryland
Penn State
West Virginia

Scheduling for football:

3 fixed rivals in your Division you play every year
5 other Division games (2 years on/ 2 off for each)
3 games against other Divisions (1 each based on last year's order of finish)

16-team playoff tournament with the Division winners getting the top 4 seeds to reward with home games the first 2 rounds (only semis & championship played at neutral sites).

There are 17 weeks in September thru December.

You could play the regular season and playoffs in 15 weeks with this format, so everyone gets a bye week and then there's a week off before playoffs start.

With this, it's a 1-semester sport for ease of recruiting/portal/academic calendar alignment. Heck, you could even add Week Zero games to put it at 12 instead of 11, play a lower D1 team as a home opener that week, and still keep the calendar and schedule balance intact.

(I love the offseason.)
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Restructuring conferences is your gift.
 
Buffnik said:
Since I don't feel like working, here's my guess for 2030 when the ACC gets poached and maybe collapses:

1. SEC, currently at 16 members, expands with an emphasis on controlling the high level football and brands in the South. They add UNC, NC State, Clemson, GA Tech, FSU and Miami to go to 22. There's a chance at 24 via UVA & VT.

2. B1G matches the SEC by adding 4 to also get to 22 via Cal, Stanford and then everything hinges on Notre Dame. If they accept, then there's room for 1 more. UVA would be the next choice (assumes SEC doesn't take them). The next tier is CU, Utah, ASU, UA, KU, Duke and Pitt all begging for entry.

3. Big 12 takes UConn and considers elevating SDSU, UNLV, USF or Memphis. Other than UConn (lock), the primary targets are the remaining ACC schools - at least Louisville, Syracuse, Boston College and Duke. I think there's a possibility that Wake chooses to relegate football to FCS (be like Villanova) or becomes football independents and joins the Big East for other sports.

4. Big 12 gets targeted by the Pac-12 in an attempt to be the best of the west after the B1G. It could actually shake out that between this and the ACC trying to survive that it's the Big 12 that gets broken apart.
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I don’t disagree but watching the BIG promote itself as a “coast to coast” conference, kinda makes me think that the SEC might want to add some western teams.
I think CU and ASU (may U of A) would fit the bill nicely.
 
Buffnik said:
I think there's a great argument to be made for VT over UVA based on having more of an SEC fan culture, stadium environment and commitment to football success. Plus, it's geographically perfect to get a rivalry going with Tennessee. When they played at the NASCAR track, it was a very successful event which I'm not sure would have worked if it had been UT vs UVA.
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VT base definitely fits the SEC mold more than the UVA fanbase but the SEC is more interested in upping its academic reputation so that is why you would be hearing more about UVA & UNC to the SEC these days than FSU & Clemson even if the Seminole & Tiger fanbase is more SEC ready.
 
Agent Dave Kujan said:
I don’t disagree but watching the BIG promote itself as a “coast to coast” conference, kinda makes me think that the SEC might want to add some western teams.
I think CU and ASU (may U of A) would fit the bill nicely.
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Like I mentioned to Nik, the SEC might be more interested in upping its academic prestige than adding more to its overall fanbase.
 
I don't understand how school like Cal would be apart of the BIG10 over Colorado.
Add CU and you get AAU status, the Denver market and you bring back a huge rivalry with the corn.
 
InTheBuff said:
I don't understand how school like Cal would be apart of the BIG10 over Colorado.
Add CU and you get AAU status, the Denver market and you bring back a huge rivalry with the corn.
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You're talking about a conference which originally called its Divisions "Legends" and "Leaders" and one of the top 5 most prestigious academic institutions in the world.
 
SewallBeach said:
Per On3
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www.espn.com

First Four's St. Francis moving to D-III in 2026

Citing changes in the national landscape, and a week after a First Four loss in the NCAA tournament, Saint Francis (PA) announced a move to Division III in 2026.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

D3 players are still going to get paid but not that much.

Edit: if you do a search on Wikipedia, the student body size is more closer to D2 and D3 even for a private school. If you double the private school's student body size, they would still have about 3,200 students which is more closer to D3 than D2.
 
SewallBeach said:
Per On3
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“This was not an easy nor a quick decision for the [Saint Francis] Board of Trustees,” said chairman Rev. Joseph Lehman in a statement. “The governance associated with intercollegiate athletics has always been complicated and is only growing in complexity based on realities like the transfer portal, pay-for-play, and other shifts that move athletics away from love of the game. For that reason, as a Board, we aim to best provide resources and support to our student-athletes in this changing environment that aligns with our mission, Catholic institution, and our community’s expectations.”
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Compare the St Francis situation to the St Thomas MN situation where St Thomas was kicked out of their D3 conference for being too good or something like that. If you look at St Thomas' student body size, they have over 9,000 students which means they are like a 18,000 student public college which puts it in the D1 ranks. St Francis simply was too small as a school to compete at the D1 level. Guess some schools that shouldn't be D1 are being weeded out by money.
 
One more thing, the Pac-12 needs to add one more full time member by June 30th and now we are almost three months away. Let's say that the lack of urgency within the Pac-12 offices isn't new.
 
Bison said:
One more thing, the Pac-12 needs to add one more full time member by June 30th and now we are almost three months away. Let's say that the lack of urgency within the Pac-12 offices isn't new.
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I'm pretty sure it will be Texas State.
 
When the big shakeout happens it will have nothing to do with academics (though they might try to paint it there.) Instead, like all of college football right now it will be a matter of $$$$, schools will be in or out based on the potential revenues they bring to the table.

Nik's divisions are pretty good but start with cutting 5 schools from each. The final version is going to be closer to 35-40 than it is to 55-60.

The traditional conferences will be completely disolved, that will open the door for them to dump programs like Northwestern, Vandy, Iowas State, etc. that don't draw the TV numbers and are seen as dilluting the money pool.

They will work to keep traditional rivalries in place, even if the schools themselves (A&M) don't like it because the TV networks want those games. Most likely Colorado ends up in a division with Nebraska because that matchup produces big TV ratings. Nobody cares enough about Cal-Oregon (or Cal vs. anyone else except maybe Stanford) to go out of their way to watch. Bye-bye Cal and Stanford.

Basketball is a different issue entirely and most likely will end up staying under the NCAA while football separates off under it's own governing body.
 
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