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Davis Webb transfers to Cal, spurns CU

jobuff said:
Yeah seems like the post came from a fan. Although I think I know which scout post you are referring to. If it is then you know that that source is as close within the AD maybe? If I remember correctly he has proven to be very accurate (meaning the scout post, not the tweet).
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Yes, he is definitely connected but I'm just saying Davis Webb didn't say anything like that to the media.
 
It just dawned on me, he has two first names that can also be last names. "Davis Webb" or "Webb Davis." That explains why he chose a school that can be a guy's first name; "Cal." Has anyone of you ever heard of a guy named "Cu?" I think not. It's kind of Zen like.
 
This holds as much credibility as Sheriron getting a girl pregnant. Everyone always has a "source" with this sort of thing saying something different. Whatever, I'm still mad about Sheriron and his pull out skills.
 
DBT said:
It just dawned on me, he has two first names that can also be last names. "Davis Webb" or "Webb Davis." That explains why he chose a school that can be a guy's first name; "Cal." Has anyone of you ever heard of a guy named "Cu?" I think not. It's kind of Zen like.
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An engineer with WAY TOO MUCH TIME on his hands. Go find a train to drive!

Oh yeah: some sports site noted WHFNI, is in a battle for the starting QB for Cal....hmmmmmm
 
Given MM comments somewhere that he was sure that DW was gone, some of this makes sense. I would assume that DW relayed the contents of Cals offer to MM. However, MM can not afford, job wise, to make that same guarantee. Apparently Dykes can. If I were Webb Id take the better of the two deals knowing that some coaches do tend to play favorites with players.

Its water over the dam....
 
mdelpizzo_1 said:
I've always been a water under the bridge kinda guy. Personally feel it's better to under promise and then over deliver, but hey to each their own, right.
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The only thing that a coach should ever promise, and deliver, is a fair chance with his full support. Go past that and suddenly for the other players it becomes favoritism and you get a why bother attitude.

If Webb had come in and not been the clearly superior QB right from the start but been given the job anyways with an apparently healthy Sefo around M2 might as well have packed his bags and put his house up for sale because his team would have been gone.
 
This graduate transfer situation also came about because Webb was the third starter in a row to get replaced because of injury and never get his starting job back. Understandably if this guarantee was made to him and he was following a #1 pick it was a pretty easy decision to make, going back on his word or not. It's all over now so for anyone wanting the Schadenfreude let's just hope the Buffs take care of business and Sonny does his usual push toward mediocrity.
 
MtnBuff said:
The only thing that a coach should ever promise, and deliver, is a fair chance with his full support. Go past that and suddenly for the other players it becomes favoritism and you get a why bother attitude.

If Webb had come in and not been the clearly superior QB right from the start but been given the job anyways with an apparently healthy Sefo around M2 might as well have packed his bags and put his house up for sale because his team would have been gone.
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I disagree, life isn't fair, and it's not a strict meritocracy. We missed out in the opportunity to add talent to a position void of it. If the team is so united behind Sefo that they are resistant to change for the sake of winning, then you have a bigger problem.

The way I see it, if Mac were happy with his QBs, he wouldn't have tried twice to add a transfer in the offseason. I'm ok telling a kid he'll go onto fall camp as the starter - if you're a couple games in and it's not working, you can bench him then. We've seen what Sefo gives this team, and is not bowl-caliber qb play so I'd have been ok taking the risk.
 
SINKRATZ said:
I disagree, life isn't fair, and it's not a strict meritocracy. We missed out in the opportunity to add talent to a position void of it. If the team is so united behind Sefo that they are resistant to change for the sake of winning, then you have a bigger problem.

The way I see it, if Mac were happy with his QBs, he wouldn't have tried twice to add a transfer in the offseason. I'm ok telling a kid he'll go onto fall camp as the starter - if you're a couple games in and it's not working, you can bench him then. We've seen what Sefo gives this team, and is not bowl-caliber qb play so I'd have been ok taking the risk.
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If the guys you are asking to transfer in won't do it without being told they don't have to compete I don't want them. If they are that good they will see the opportunity and come in expecting to compete, and to win.
 
MtnBuff said:
If the guys you are asking to transfer in won't do it without being told they don't have to compete I don't want them. If they are that good they will see the opportunity and come in expecting to compete, and to win.
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Are you also against promising a qb recruit that if they commit, we won't recruit another qb in the same class? Because that happens all the time and doesn't seem to bother people.

Look, I recognize it's not ideal, but this aint intramurals brother where everyone plays and is treated the same. We have to be constantly upgrading the talent level on the team, even if it means doing some things that violate our altruistic view of amateur athletics.
 
First off Sefo has set some 75 qb records at CU so to say he is not a winning bowl caliber qb is just stupid as hell. Second why are we still talking about that suck job Webb? Are we that bored?
 
I like Sefo and I think he will do well this year, but trying to make an argument based on records held at CU is a little flimsy. For one, he's a four year starter, so he pretty much better be breaking records. We aren't exactly known for our passing game (historically). And two, Cody Hawkins set a bunch of records at CU.
 
BUffsNation said:
First off Sefo has set some 75 qb records at CU so to say he is not a winning bowl caliber qb is just stupid as hell. Second why are we still talking about that suck job Webb? Are we that bored?
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Would you take him over Kordell? DH? Detmer?

He has more records than maybe all of them combined, doesn't mean he is our best QB ever. Can het us to a bowl and maybe win one? I think so.

Why would we talk about a QB who has graduated and moved on and isn't currently playing, I guess we are that bored, damned offseason.
 
SINKRATZ said:
Are you also against promising a qb recruit that if they commit, we won't recruit another qb in the same class? Because that happens all the time and doesn't seem to bother people.

Look, I recognize it's not ideal, but this aint intramurals brother where everyone plays and is treated the same. We have to be constantly upgrading the talent level on the team, even if it means doing some things that violate our altruistic view of amateur athletics.
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Sure, if a kid is good enough and I already have some depth I tell him I won't recruit another QB in the class. I don't tell him that he will automatically move ahead of the other guys I already have on the roster but I may remind him of their weaknesses and show him the opportunity.

I also don't promise him that I won't recruit additional QBs in future years and that those QBs will have a fair shot to move ahead of him on the depth chart if performance warrants it.
 
MtnBuff said:
Sure, if a kid is good enough and I already have some depth I tell him I won't recruit another QB in the class. I don't tell him that he will automatically move ahead of the other guys I already have on the roster but I may remind him of their weaknesses and show him the opportunity.

I also don't promise him that I won't recruit additional QBs in future years and that those QBs will have a fair shot to move ahead of him on the depth chart if performance warrants it.
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So you're ok with a kid who doesn't want to compete against other QBs in his class, but not with a grad transfer who only has one season of eligibility left? Interesting line to draw.
 
SINKRATZ said:
So you're ok with a kid who doesn't want to compete against other QBs in his class, but not with a grad transfer who only has one season of eligibility left? Interesting line to draw.
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If I have a three year starter who is respected by his teammates absolutely right I don't guarantee a grad transfer the job. He wants to play in the NFL, he knows what he can do or thinks he can do. If he can't beat out the existing guy then he isn't going to last long in the league.

I guarantee him a fair chance to win the job, purely open competition. I make the existing guy fully aware of what the deal is as well. Winner plays.

The kid who isn't going to have other QBs in his class is still going to have to compete for the job.

If Webb was that great aTm would not have given his job to another QB, he didn't want to compete against him, that's why he left.

I would have loved to have had Webb in camp, and there is a good chance he would have ended up the starter even with Sefo back, but he like every other player on my team has to earn his spot.
 
MtnBuff said:
If I have a three year starter who is respected by his teammates absolutely right I don't guarantee a grad transfer the job. He wants to play in the NFL, he knows what he can do or thinks he can do. If he can't beat out the existing guy then he isn't going to last long in the league.

I guarantee him a fair chance to win the job, purely open competition. I make the existing guy fully aware of what the deal is as well. Winner plays.

The kid who isn't going to have other QBs in his class is still going to have to compete for the job.

If Webb was that great aTm would not have given his job to another QB, he didn't want to compete against him, that's why he left.

I would have loved to have had Webb in camp, and there is a good chance he would have ended up the starter even with Sefo back, but he like every other player on my team has to earn his spot.
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Well at least we have a qb who is respected by teammates, so the joke is on Cal, right?
 
BUffsNation said:
You can't put the fact we have not been to a bowl game on Sefo. When we get 60 scored on us its kinda hard to win :LOL:
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Wasn't the case last year, the defense was respectable. The offense couldn't stretch the field and he didn't have much time to throw, but as was pointed out previously Sefo had difficulty with his throws on slant and short timing routes to combat that.
 
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I wonder if we'd have pursued Webb had we known Sefo would be ready to play? At the time, that proposition was pretty tenuous.
 
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