That is what I thought too. If there was someone reporting Seto was interested, i would take it seriously, seems like pie in the sky now. Then again, I still hold out the hope that just because things are quiet, it doesn't mean things are bad.
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DC Search Including & beyond the 1st 4 Candidates
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That is what I thought too. If there was someone reporting Seto was interested, i would take it seriously, seems like pie in the sky now. Then again, I still hold out the hope that just because things are quiet, it doesn't mean things are bad.
Random name I thought of back when this started, and may be relevant: Dewayne Walker. I think it will be a different guy though, someone who is younger with less experience.
It's an underrated role. Is this kind of like the guy who is hired by an NBA team to go out to the clubs with the players, to make sure they don't get in trouble?
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DavisBuff
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If MMac doesn't want to just turn over the reigns to a DC. It seems like bringing Orgeron in with the DC title; but, with plenty of influence from MMac would be good for both parties. Orgeron gets back in coaching and can recruit for us while trying to move on as a HC. Bring Peter Sirmon in as Co DC to take over when Orgeron gets his HC gig and everyone is happy.
During that bye week he might have had 1-2 days off with the rest of the time spent on practices and game planning. If I were the team I would grant the interview. But not any time recruiting calls or visits until the season is over.
At this point thats probably an acceptable hire.
ahoelsken
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I think we can forget Rocky Seto-Dan Quinn WILL wind up with one of the NFL openings (My guess is Denver), and he's a shoo-in to take over as DC up there. This is going to wind up being Sirmon or somebody with that type of resume....MM will probably call the defense himself next year with a fair amount of input from this person.
Idot Buff
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Of course, none of us know the plan, therefore, we don't know if the plan is being executed. But carry on with your frustration.
Orgeron has experience as a HC in the SEC as well as the P12 (Interim) and is one of the best recruiters out there. He would be a dream hire to run the defense and take over recruiting efforts. Unfortunately, there is better chance of Darth and Duff giving me a rep than him coming to Boulder.
Still don't understand why that list was released or if a booster got a little excited and that list was a bit premature (i.e. early targets vs. guys we are in serious discussions with). It did a lot of damage in my opinion and someone screwed up. RG? Patr? Donor XYZ?
This is why you go thru this process out of the public eye. Oregon State hired a staff quickly because Andersen essentially went and hired guys he worked with at Utah State and Utah before that. Turmoil at Utah made that pretty doable, not to mention that Andersen and Whittingham hate each other's guts.
MikeMac already brought his SJSU staff with him. And Duke coaches are doing pretty well and MM isn't poaching from his buddy Cutliffe (not to mention that MM was Duke's DC so he can't poach himself). It's likely that MM's coaching contacts from the NFL are mostly not a fit, whether due to age, money, or lack of interest in a CFB job.
MM went thru a pretty long process of interviewing lots of candidates when he hired his initial staff at SJSU and when he had to replace his OC when DeFillipo went to the Raiders. He had never met Lindgren before he interviewed him. He's gone outside his coaching tree quite a bit already since he came west - expect him to do a pretty exhaustive search.
We've seen what happens when a coach hires a bunch of guys he's coached with and played with before. In this case, MM is fishing from a deeper pool and by definition will take awhile to get thru the process.
The AD would have been much better served by stating that they would do an exhaustive search to find the guy they feel will be able to carry out the assignment.
This is why you go thru this process out of the public eye. Oregon State hired a staff quickly because Andersen essentially went and hired guys he worked with at Utah State and Utah before that. Turmoil at Utah made that pretty doable, not to mention that Andersen and Whittingham hate each other's guts.
MikeMac already brought his SJSU staff with him. And Duke coaches are doing pretty well and MM isn't poaching from his buddy Cutliffe (not to mention that MM was Duke's DC so he can't poach himself). It's likely that MM's coaching contacts from the NFL are mostly not a fit, whether due to age, money, or lack of interest in a CFB job.
MM went thru a pretty long process of interviewing lots of candidates when he hired his initial staff at SJSU and when he had to replace his OC when DeFillipo went to the Raiders. He had never met Lindgren before he interviewed him. He's gone outside his coaching tree quite a bit already since he came west - expect him to do a pretty exhaustive search.
We've seen what happens when a coach hires a bunch of guys he's coached with and played with before. In this case, MM is fishing from a deeper pool and by definition will take awhile to get thru the process.
The AD would have been much better served by stating that they would do an exhaustive search to find the guy they feel will be able to carry out the assignment.
Like I said, zero chance of Orgeron to CU.
I don't get the confusion. Stuff gets leaked by "sources" to the interwebs everywhere. Durkin to Michigan 1 month ago, Gibbs to TT 1 month ago etc etc etc
chitownbuff
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Big difference (in my opinion) - 1 person vs an exhaustive list or formal plan.
And a plan that may have never been the plan.
TDbuff
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Adam doesn't seem like a rogue reporter and has a very good relationship with the AD so I doubt the list went up without their knowledge or blessing. The leak could've come directly from them. One reason to do that would be to take care of Adam, another would be to control the story. They give out a few concrete names to show the interest in the job. Sometimes spreading that gossip gets coaches talking and thinking they should give CU a call, and you end up with candidates you didn't even know were looking. You also control expectations because the alternative would be lists filled with wild speculation where us fans could get worked up about candidates that we're not even thinking of interviewing. That'd be damaging as well.
In the end, the list didn't hurt so much as the length of time it's taking to find somebody.
SD has stated it did not come from the AD.
TDbuff
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Even so, for that source to go quiet now, it would make sense that they're under the influence of the AD. My overall point is that leaks aren't usually mistakes, at least not initially. There's usually a reason and permission behind it.
DeNiro
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They usually neg rep for that.
Perception is reality in the world today. You have lost if the masses perceive a lack of plan, even if a plan is in place. As evidence, 90+ pages of allbuffs confusion and bewilderment about the DC. The narrative is set.
EddieCrowder
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E Orgeron named D-line coach at LSU
Brave pronouncement.
SD Buff
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I didn't say one way or the other. Just said well sourced doesn't mean AD.
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Nah - this place is so much fun with folks losing their minds about the unknown.
Someone brought up Orgeron as a possibility and I was simply dispelling that notion. Keep doin you, though, Darth!
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