I think his point is that at one time the bridge with Nike had been burnt as well but Prime overcame the pettiness. FWIW I generally agree with your viewpoint.
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Deion Sanders - HC Jackson State
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My rebuttal to that is he had a choice to make. He could have gone to CU (Nike), USF (Adidas), or Cincy (Nike). Those were his reported HC offers at the FBS level in 2022 and there was obviously the clear choice once RG and Saliman got involved and said the money and control would be there. In order to make everything work for him and his family (Travis included), he had to get back on board with Nike.
Also, his Nike spat was a couple decades ago, so yeah, he held his grudge against them for a really long time.
CU has the money players it takes to go huge and all the talking about us like we are some poor ass school is insulting. Colorado has money, just wonder if RG and TS have the balls to let it rain
JFC. I thought drawing a picture would help.
He is petty. (Your words) He keeps receipts (also your words).
And for decades he refused to work with, wear, or even acknowledge nike as a brand.
Until suddenly, one day, he didn't.
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Not sure how this is relevant...
Sure. It took him two decades to get over it and repair the bridge with the largest sports apparel retailer in the world and all it took was a lack of legitimate options when it came to becoming a HC at the FBS level so Shedeur, Travis and Shilo could play at a higher level. I'm not sure if that's the example you think it is.
To be a winner in the NFL, you have to typically be better schematically and with gameday coaching/adjustments than the other team's coaches in order to win. He can't attract free agents because of his name so he won't be able to use his most important attribute, which is recruiting. Prime has not shown to be any sort of gameday coaching genius (the opposite actually although it improved this year) and he lets his coordinators/position coaches do the adjustments and scheme design. So if he's not an offensive or defensive guru and he's not an elite gameday coach, what is the draw to hiring him as an NFL HC. I don't see it at all. All these talking heads know this but it drives clicks. Just look at it logically and it makes no sense. If he leaves, it's for a bigger job in college or to his next passion outside of coaching.
this hasn't been a focus of discussion when we discuss risks of him leaving.
what is that passion perceived to be (e.g. ministerial work)? he left media to be a coach, so I'd be inclined to think that's not his next passion.
I doubt anyone outside of his inner circle would know. Personally, I think he wants to be the first black head coach to win a national championship and he won't stop until he achieves that.
I thought maybe someone could reference comments he's made about religion or fishing or whatever else gets him up.
I agree he has made the bolded point quite clear
sure. but maybe consider also sending that message to posters who are reading/hearing what they want to believe instead of what HCDS actually said.
Deion Sanders gives clear indication on his Colorado future after Cowboys call
Deion Sanders' future has remained a hot topic with Colorado's season coming to a close - which will see his two sons in Shedeur and Shilo leave for the NFL Draft
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not clear why you quoted me. "I feel I can do that better at the college level..." doesn't mean -- in any way -- that he wouldn't leave Colorado for an SEC school.Deion Sanders gives clear indication on his Colorado future after Cowboys call
Deion Sanders' future has remained a hot topic with Colorado's season coming to a close - which will see his two sons in Shedeur and Shilo leave for the NFL Draft
Because you asked about the potential risk of him leaving for pursuing other passions and he clearly and directly addresses what his passion and calling is.
What SEC school would allow him to do what CU has?
Bread and I were explicitly discussion his "next passion after coaching". Nothing in what you cited suggests he has no passions beyond coaching.
I feel like you're trying to argue with me over something I didn't say.
peace, Yak
You were specifically talking about him leaving for his "next passion" and you asked what that was. I'm pointing to a direct quote of his from like a week ago where he says his passion and calling is mentoring young men, so he wouldn't be leaving his current passion and calling for some other hypothetical passion.
Never change, hokie.
I think most would be happy with a coach that brought in top ranked recruits, attracted the highest level of publicity, increased team GPA, and won more games than his predecessors.
but I also think that's not what you're getting at.
in the interest of progressing this discussion without it turning to an argument, can you be specific about what things Sanders has done at CU that you believe would be objectionable to every school in the SEC? and even more relevant, which of those things would carry more weight than the pros I listed above?
This talk about leverage makes it seem contentious and like CU is trying to play hardball with his contract, which definitely isn't the case. Prime is going to get what he wants and RG and TS are happily going to give it to him.
I think it's far more likely that they are simply going through every detail from his contract and incentives to the assistant salary pool (especially since on field coaches are now essentially unlimited), recruiting resources, how the in house NIL stuff will be handled, etc. none of which is likely requiring Prime to throw his leverage around to get done, IMO.
Prime has turned the CU brand into the Prime brand - how much CU apparel can you get these days that don't have Prime on them? Hats, polos, & jerseys are the only real exceptions here.
Everything is recorded & tons is posted on social media sites, how many other schools show that much of the ins and outs of a team not on a documentary like Hard Knocks?
Idk why I'm still here considering you pretty much ignored the quotes from Prime or tried to twist them for whatever reason.
Using leverage doesn't mean contentious. It can also be used to get things that RG wants to get done but is very hard for him to get but can be driven through the Prime contract. For example, they could put a commitment and timetable on Folsom improvements similar to how they would have never built the bball practice facility if Bohn hadn't put it into Bzdelik's contract as a mandatory project for CU.
Thanks, Corey
I think most schools (every school?) would be happy to let their coach market his own branded stuff for wins, GPA and national publicity. I'm honestly not sure why anyone would see that as even a small negative.
I 100% believe that the increased social media content is seen as a positive by nearly everyone. I think that is a key contributor to the national publicity CU has received; I expect to see more and more schools trying to copy CU in this regard.
I genuinely have no clue what you're referring to with the bolded. I don't twist people's words, rather my default practice is to take statements literally -- sometimes more literally than the speaker intended. This, ironically, is a point I've been criticized for excessively on Allbuffs.
What quotes from Sanders do you believe I've ignored? I've stated repeatedly that I'm open minded to new information and I've asked multiple times in this discussion for people to post citations in support of that. If I've missed something relevant to this discussion, I'm begging you... please point that out.
Thanks again for pleasantly engaging with me in this discussion.
99.9% of schools are not going to allow a HC to "hijack" their brand with their own like Prime was able to do at CU. SEC schools by and large do not struggle with top end recruiting & the ones that do (Vandy) stand no chance of having any sustained window of winning, certainly not like at CU.
Jesus Christ, bub!
Those are the same thing
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Do you honestly see Alabama or Georgia allowing Prime to put his logo on every piece of merch? It’s not just that, it’s having full autonomy. Prime doesn’t kiss any rings and most SEC programs have a lot of rings that demand to be kissed. This doesn’t even touch the racial aspect of all the rich white boosters falling in line behind a confident, unapologetic and outspoken black man.
Can't skimp on Asst. Salary pool. Hard to believe he wouldn't be inclined to leave if his assistants were consistently poached for lateral moves.