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Would you mine putting these items into a spreadsheet for us engineers?
.We need these things in Black and White you may know.
I notice above you are getting close to that, so carry on! I need a spreadsheet!
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Would you mine putting these items into a spreadsheet for us engineers?
.We need these things in Black and White you may know.
I notice above you are getting close to that, so carry on! I need a spreadsheet!
on the question of partnering on branding w/ HCDS:
accounting for hyperbole, I'm assuming you don't really mean 'every piece of merch' but rather 'a similar amount to what CU is doing'. fair interpretation or should I take you literally?
here's a link to the CU bookstore page for men's apparel. skimming and paging down five times (it's an 'infinite scroll page'), it looks like <5% of the items are 'Prime' branded.
so, to answer the question I think you're asking, do I think Alabama or Georgia would let 5% of their branded gear be 'Prime'? probably.
do I think Kentucky, Tennessee, Florida, Missouri, A&M, Vandy would? almost certainly, yes. Tennessee's official shop is currently selling Dylan Sampson branded merch -- if they're willing to partner with players on branding I can't see why they wouldn't be willing to partner with coaches.
so, the main objection to this reasoning that I can think of might be "ok, maybe only 5% of products offered are Prime branded, but it's a much higher percentage when the denominator is 'products sold'". This leads to the question of "would an SEC school have a problem if the Prime branded merch were their top sellers? My response is "I really doubt it, but it comes down to the split in contractual revenue between the school and DS on these branding deals".
in the past, Alabama has licensed both Nick Saban and Bear Bryant branded merch. Duke sold Coach K branded stuff. VT sold Frank Beamer branded stuff. tOSU literally trademarked "Urban Meyer" to sell their stuff w/ his name. Yes, Sanders is taking it to another level, but I've seen no reason to be convinced most schools wouldn't be willing to engage even deeper on what's been a normal practice for decades, especially if it's profitable for the school.
the autonomy issue I addressed above. Yes, it appears HCDS wants a lot of control, but it's reasonable to think Sanders believed the CUAD needed more of a makeover most SEC AD's would require. So, while I don't think many SEC schools, if any, would give him the autonomy it appears that he's had at CU, I do think many would give him sufficient autonomy to satisfy him.
on the subject of race. Sanders lived and thrived being who he is while living in the deep South most of his entire life. He still owns a home in Texas. Race is a big issue to him as is impacting the lives of young men. I think there's a strong argument that (a) he's been successful in the South and has no reason to be afraid of returning there to work and (b) he could potentially make an even bigger impact on improving things for young black men in an area where, you know, lots of black people actually live.
I can't speak to the ring kissing issue. I just don't know that much about that.
I do appreciate the discussion, Yak. Apologies for the verbose post.
and once again to avoid doubt, I'm not suggesting it's likely Sanders leaves CU for an SEC school in the next few years, but I do think SEC schools pose the highest risk to him leaving.
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I never said he was afraid to go work in the South, hokie. I said there’s a racial element with the people who run SEC programs that I think you are naive to. There’s a reason there have only been five black head coaches in SEC history and two of them were at Vanderbilt.
fair. that's not a subject I know much about or can easily find information to ramp on quickly.
and I think my points are valid about Sanders' ability to be more impactful on matters of race if he coaches in the South.
@hokiehead, you seem to like to die on some pretty small hills. Not saying there is not a risk, but this is nowhere near what you have been laying out or splainin
I don't feel like I'm dying.
during this discussion, I've put effort into stating my thoughts civilly and being open minded to new information and reasoning.
You acknowledged there is risk and that is literally the only point I'm making. Others are arguing there is no risk while listing reasons that are not very compelling.
I appreciate the feedback though, Brad. I've said all i have to say and I'm done -- putting this thread on ignore to avoid the discussion escalating further.
I wish I could call my shot, but it feels like tomorrow morning would be the PERFECT TIMING to have Colorado and Coach Prime drop news about an extension for the highest paid coach in CFB, just before the Portal opens and it would be such an epic FLEX
Regarding the kissing of rings, Ryan McGee often tells a good story about Mack Brown soon after he got to Texas. Obviously not SEC at the time, but at the same level of passion. Anyway, Mack Brown talked about how when he first got to Texas he was walking over to practice and a chopper lands nearby and the AD or someone comes over to Mack and says, hey you need to come with us. Mack's like what do you mean, we're getting ready for Oklahoma State this week? The AD says yea, but it's the governor's wife's birthday so you need to go.
brockbuff
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People obviously still don’t know Prime.
He will do what he always does.
He will use his contract extension announcement as yet another tool to successfully market his Colorado program.
He will do what he always does.
He will use his contract extension announcement as yet another tool to successfully market his Colorado program.
Talking to a friend of mine - he thinks I'm naive and a honey for thinking Prime won't go to the NFL. His reasoning, that Prime has only ever coached his kids and is only interested in coaching his kids seems solid on the surface, especially when it's being consistently reinforced in the media, but it's being contradicted in what Prime and his camp say every day.
What's kinda sad about it is that it implies that Prime isn't a man of his word. When he says that it's apropos that the last time he coaches his kids is in the Alamo Bowl, it's completely ignored, but when Stephen A Smith says that Prime is going to be coaching the Cowboys next year, everyone just takes it a gospel. As if Stephen A is to be trusted more than Prime himself.
What's kinda sad about it is that it implies that Prime isn't a man of his word. When he says that it's apropos that the last time he coaches his kids is in the Alamo Bowl, it's completely ignored, but when Stephen A Smith says that Prime is going to be coaching the Cowboys next year, everyone just takes it a gospel. As if Stephen A is to be trusted more than Prime himself.
If Prime wanted to coach in the NFL, he would say, “I’m listening.”
People like SAS rely on major sports leagues having talking points. Prime in the NFL would be ratings gold for SAS’s tee vee shows.
But Prime doesn’t want to coach in the NFL because he wants to be himself at a level the NFL doesn’t allow.
