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Dennis Dodd's hot seat rankings

We need to win. MikeMac’s had plenty of time to do so. He’s also had the benefit of a weak conference. Last year sucked, but I am still upset at our last two games in 2016 as well. We got blasted in those games. I think this season can tell us quite a bit about whether we are truly competitive.
 
ahoelsken said:
Dear lord I hope you're wrong.....makes '16 look like an epic fluke.
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I hope I am wrong too...my opinion is influenced by my perception of the admin.s willingness to accept mediocrity, not by what I think the goal ought to be.

A conference win here and there seems good enough as long as there is no bad PR. Also, buyouts are bad PR.
 
We play 5 teams (NU, ASU, UA, UCLA, OSU) that have new head coaches. If after 6 years (!!!) MacIntyre cannot reach a bowl game with a schedule that includes 5 brand new head coaches and an FCS game (UNH, as covered here, isn't awful, but come on), then what reasonable hope is there that MacIntyre can ever get it together an be a consistent winner at CU? We should beat CSU, UNH, OSU, and at least one Arizona school at a minimum, with a number of other winnable chances.

These are his recruits, his coaching hires, etc., with no asterisks anymore. He's had a chance to recruit to the IPF, and to recruit after a Top 25 season with a fair bit of national buzz. Even accounting for the caliber of talent and the state of the program on his arrival (that accounting doesn't take long, we were abysmal), it seems the time to make a realistic evaluation is fairly here after this season. In the last three years, we're 19-20 overall, and 11-16 in Pac-12 play. If we don't see an improvement on that this year- i.e., above .500 at the least, headed to bowl, with wins over Pac-12 teams we "should' beat and competitiveness all around, I don't see how you can keep him.

I understand the the CU doesn't have the same ability as some other higher profile P5 teams, both financially and from a PR standpoint, to relieve a head football coach of his duties. But if MacIntyre is retained after a 4 or 5 win season it would be an affirmation to me that CU isn't taking football as seriously as more diehard fans like us want to see.

In my mind, he needs to make a bowl but I think this team can (and should) be better.

In the land of reality, which, as a Buffs fan, I visit only occasionally, I think he is let go if the number is 4 or less.
 
HighlandsBuff said:
We play 5 teams (NU, ASU, UA, UCLA, OSU) that have new head coaches. If after 6 years (!!!) MacIntyre cannot reach a bowl game with a schedule that includes 5 brand new head coaches and an FCS game (UNH, as covered here, isn't awful, but come on), then what reasonable hope is there that MacIntyre can ever get it together an be a consistent winner at CU? We should beat CSU, UNH, OSU, and at least one Arizona school at a minimum, with a number of other winnable chances.

These are his recruits, his coaching hires, etc., with no asterisks anymore. He's had a chance to recruit to the IPF, and to recruit after a Top 25 season with a fair bit of national buzz. Even accounting for the caliber of talent and the state of the program on his arrival (that accounting doesn't take long, we were abysmal), it seems the time to make a realistic evaluation is fairly here after this season. In the last three years, we're 19-20 overall, and 11-16 in Pac-12 play. If we don't see an improvement on that this year- i.e., above .500 at the least, headed to bowl, with wins over Pac-12 teams we "should' beat and competitiveness all around, I don't see how you can keep him.

I understand the the CU doesn't have the same ability as some other higher profile P5 teams, both financially and from a PR standpoint, to relieve a head football coach of his duties. But if MacIntyre is retained after a 4 or 5 win season it would be an affirmation to me that CU isn't taking football as seriously as more diehard fans like us want to see.

In my mind, he needs to make a bowl but I think this team can (and should) be better.

In the land of reality, which, as a Buffs fan, I visit only occasionally, I think he is let go if the number is 4 or less.
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Not only do those 5 teams have new head coaches, but CU should be more talented in most areas than all but UCLA, and all that UCLA talent seemingly doesn't fit what Chip Kelly wants to do. Granted, the UA game is away on a Friday and they have one of the Heisman favorites at QB, so that could be a tough one, but I don't see why CU should be viewing those 5 as very winnable, along with CSU and NH. Even dropping one or two of those games, still only requires picking up another 1-2 wins from USC, UW, Utah, Cal, and WSU which should not be that difficult.
 
leftybuff said:
I hope I am wrong too...my opinion is influenced by my perception of the admin.s willingness to accept mediocrity, not by what I think the goal ought to be.

A conference win here and there seems good enough as long as there is no bad PR. Also, buyouts are bad PR.
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A conference win here and there? What the hell does that even mean? So if we win 2 conference games in 2 years you’re okay with that?
 
AllStarBuffs said:
A conference win here and there? What the hell does that even mean? So if we win 2 conference games in 2 years you’re okay with that?
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I think the key words in lefty's post were the admin's willingness to except mediocrity......which clearly existed prior to RG taking over as AD. I'd like to think he pushed for more leeway to run the department how he saw fit......but we really haven't seen him have to deal with a big financial decision like firing a football coach yet.
 
ahoelsken said:
I think the only thing that keeps him here with another losing season is his buyout being too big.
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Agreed. CU does not have the money to play in the coaching carousel game in hopes of hitting pay dirt. So even if RG wants him gone, most probably he doesn't have the money to make it happen and pay the next guy. Hopefully MM can make it happen, because he's not leaving, unless he decides to leave.
 
Man... what the **** happened to us? We must be the only fanbase in the entire country that thinks that 5-7 should be acceptable (even under some level of discomfort) for a 6th year coach to retain his job. If MM doesn't (at the VERY least) go bowling this year, he should be gone.
 
NY Buff said:
Agreed. CU does not have the money to play in the coaching carousel game in hopes of hitting pay dirt. So even if RG wants him gone, most probably he doesn't have the money to make it happen and pay the next guy. Hopefully MM can make it happen, because he's not leaving, unless he decides to leave.
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Agree and disagree-I don't think RG feels he needs to make a change yet, but I think he could raise the money if he felt like he had to. We can't hit it big like UCLA did last year with Kelly, but I think we can easily pull off the type of move that Cal made with Justin Wilcox.
 
TSchekler said:
The only difference is that Hawkins inherited a team that went 7-6 (5-3) and won the Big 12 North. We all know what MM inherited... Because of that, I don't like the Hawkins comparison at all, even if W/L is similar, but it doesn't excuse MM not getting this team to a bowl game in year 6.
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You are what your record says you are.

-Bill Parcells
-Michael Scott
 
If we had the $ I’m guessing it’d be bowl game or bust. IMO there’s only one for sure loss in the schedule (U Drub)...if we can’t win 6 I know I’ll be on the fire MMac bandwagon.
 
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leftybuff said:
ahoelsken answered your concern, thanks ahoelsken.

Personally, no bowl, no MikMac is how I feel.

The admin., from what I can see as an outsider, probably does not feel that sense of urgency, hence my prior post.
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This.

What us fans want and expect doesn’t necessarily match the expectations and needs of those who will ultimately make the decision to retain or release MM.

All this talk of conference records and win totals is largely irrelevant. We all want improvement there, but what we want doesn’t really matter.
 
TSchekler said:
That's a nice soundbite, but like most things in life, it is not absolute. There is context needed, especially in the Hawkins to MacIntyre comparison.
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So are you using it as an excuse or not? In one post you say it's not an excuse and then you proceed to use it as an excuse under the guise of "context." At this point, that narrative is dead. MM has lost 38 games as CU, including 7 in year 5 when the team stumbled and then quit. What he inherited is now irrelevant.
 
Not Sure said:
This.

What us fans want and expect doesn’t necessarily match the expectations and needs of those who will ultimately make the decision to retain or release MM.

All this talk of conference records and win totals is largely irrelevant. We all want improvement there, but what we want doesn’t really matter.
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Rick George has clearly laid out tangible, on-field performance goals for the football program. That's not to say they have to make a NY6 bowl game by 2019 or the CFP by 2020 or whatever, but the baseline goal (and expectation in this case) is a bowl game every year. So the talk of conference records and win totals are not "largely irrelevant", and by his own admission, fan expectations DO match the expectations of the person who will ultimately make the decision to retain or release MM.
 
SerenityBuff said:
So are you using it as an excuse or not? In one post you say it's not an excuse and then you proceed to use it as an excuse under the guise of "context." At this point, that narrative is dead. MM has lost 38 games as CU, including 7 in year 5 when the team stumbled and then quit. What he inherited is now irrelevant.
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I agree that when looking forward to year 6, what he inherited doesn't matter, but when you're comparing 5 full seasons of Hawkins and 5 full seasons of MM, what he inherited does actually matter. They are two completely different things.

If you want to compare the last 3 years of Hawkins to the last 3 years of MM, that would be a more relevant comparison.

Hint: MM has a .487 win % to Hawkins' .361% overall with a .297 conference % for MM and .250% for Hawkins.
 
TSchekler said:
When you're comparing 5 full seasons of Hawkins and 5 full seasons of MM, what he inherited does actually matter. If you want to compare the last 3 years of Hawkins to the last 3 years of MM, that would be a more relevant comparison.

Hint: MM has a .487 win % to Hawkins' .361% overall with a .297 conference % for MM and .250% for Hawkins.
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So it is an excuse. Then you can't just dismiss that Hawkins inherited a program that was "burned to the ground" as he said. MM has advantages that no CU coach as ever had and has done nothing to build a consistent winner. You could argue that MM has done a worse job considering all the advantages he has and yet he's lost just about the same number of games as Hawkins.
 
SerenityBuff said:
So it is an excuse. Then you can't just dismiss that Hawkins inherited a program that was "burned to the ground" as he said. MM has advantages that no CU coach as ever had and has done nothing to build a consistent winner. You could argue that MM has done a worse job considering all the advantages he has and yet he's lost just about the same number of games as Hawkins.
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I mean, Mac didn't have those advantages in his first year under Bohn, and again not really in year 2 in RG's first year. Hawkins liked to use the "burned to the ground" comment about what he inherited, and in some ways it may have been true, but as I stated, he inherited a team that won 8 games and played in the Big 12 Championship the year before. MM inherited the same ****ty facilities, the same asst coach contract situation, the same AD, and Embree's mess. The last 3 years and going forward, I will hold MM to a higher standard because of the advantages he has had and now enjoys, but you're comparing two completely different situations if you're including the first two years of their tenures.
 
I could have sworn there was this guy Jon Embree sandwiched between D II Danny and MikMac, am I wrong?

Personally, I blame Chuck Fairbanks for MikMac's struggles.
 
IMO, the 2016 season was the reset. That's where CU should be every year. Going from 10-4 to 5-7 is unacceptable. This year will show if 2016 was a lightning in a bottle season or last year just a down year. We should constantly be competing for the South Division, anything less is unacceptable. 1 or 2 conference wins is bull****! Not only If we miss a bowl game MM should be gone, with the South looking to have a down year, if we are not in the top 2 in the South Division he should be gone.
 
leftybuff said:
I see no reason to believe the W mark is set any higher than 4. If MikMac hits that, he is probably safe. I, personally, would not be happy, and would likely be in favor of a change, but the admin. seems pretty happy with him, and barring some total embarrassment, he will be here for 2019.
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If he only wins 4 I will be the one who is gone.
 
Anybody else notice MM is now a 5? If CU doesn't win 6 next year, MM should be gone. EOS.
 
BUFFS14 said:
IMO, the 2016 season was the reset. That's where CU should be every year. Going from 10-4 to 5-7 is unacceptable. This year will show if 2016 was a lightning in a bottle season or last year just a down year. We should constantly be competing for the South Division, anything less is unacceptable. 1 or 2 conference wins is bull****! Not only If we miss a bowl game MM should be gone, with the South looking to have a down year, if we are not in the top 2 in the South Division he should be gone.
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CU is not a perennial 10 win program. That is a once every 3 years type of thing, short of something drastic and unexpectedly happening for the better (They strike gold with the next HC hire who turns out to be Urban Meyer or Dabo Swinney).
 
TSchekler said:
CU is not a perennial 10 win program. That is a once every 3 years type of thing, short of something drastic and unexpectedly happening for the better (They strike gold with the next HC hire who turns out to be Urban Meyer or Dabo Swinney).
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Agreed, but we should be an 8-9 win team every year
 
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