Maybe I'm not getting the joke, but Earl Bruce was fired from Ohio State, then went to CSU and was fired for getting a little physical with the players.
I did this without Wiki, so somebody back me.
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Maybe I'm not getting the joke, but Earl Bruce was fired from Ohio State, then went to CSU and was fired for getting a little physical with the players.
I did this without Wiki, so somebody back me.
It's crap that they're counting the $2 million as part of $5 million that Florida is paying CSU towards the buyout. That's probably close to what they'll pay any team at CSU's level at this time to come play a game in Gainesville in the coming seasons. I don't know why the media is acting like it's a gift and not just compensation for traveling to suffer a beatdown.
CSU's potential future AD (current interim AD)
I always thought that was Eric Stoltz's finest role.
If you want sraight facts start with Earl Bruce. Bruce was fired from tOSU, spent a year at Northern Iowa, then came to CSU. He started strong and moved the program up from the dregs to a competitive level but stagnated. He ended up getting fired for abusing players but he left the foundation of players that Sonny would then build on.
Sonny took the foundation that Bruce left, built on it, and had a great run, best in the history of the school. He did lose some assistants but he also got older and lost energy and motivation and his final 4-5 years were below .500 overall. He is loved in Ft. Collins but wore out his welcome when he refused to make the changes including in staff the re-invigorate the program.
So you have one decent coach followed by a guy who had spectacular success that trailed into poor results before Fairchild.
No, I think you're missing the point. CSU's interim AD looks like the dude from Mask!
both points are awesome...
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I cannot believe I had that Earl Bruce thing backwards. In my defense, that was about the time I was in Okinawa, but I was positive! My bad guys.
Idot Buff
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Go run a lap, bitch. Now! Do it!
I used to respect you. Now...I feel betrayed. Was it all a big lie?
I will be on the treadmill in a minute!
If you ever respected me, the problem was yours and yours alone.
Love that their top in-state recruit just switched to Colorado. Sorry rammies, your once in a lifetime run is over! Big brother isn't forgetting any time soon either.
They just happen to have a three star JC OLB committed right now, too. Not that we have any need for that type of player...
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Just listened to Jack Graham on the radio.... he was pretty open:
- They specifically told Sparkles 'NO' when he asked for 'dream job' clauses in his contract. Frank squandered that in the last minute with the verbal agreement that Sparkles could negotiate the buyout. That happened in the ceremonial signing meeting with Frank
- The entire goal that Graham had was to get a Big12 invite - that is why they were building the stadium. Said they needed Top 25 program, new stadium, and CSU alums in Denver to watch away games
- Contradicting someone earlier in this thread.... CSU was also at risk with the buyout. If CSU had to fire McElwain, they would have had to pay him $7.5MM. In fact, the contract that Graham negotiated was guaranteed $15MM over 10 years, with additional performance incentives that were very lucrative
- Said he was fired because his management style was different than Franks
- Said his understanding was that Frank would make the hire of the next coach.... didn't sound very enthusiastic about it
- Said the fact that CSU was touting the huge '$7MM' buyout was a farce. He subtracted the $2MM for the game in Florida because he already had CSU lined up to play a bodybag game in Michigan for a similar payout... so that was happening regardless. Then said that the original buyout language was to McElwain would have had to pay CSU $7.5MM in 30 days... instead that has now been broken out to $5MM over 6 years. Said that by his math, taking into account time value of money, CSU is getting an actual buyout of $3.8MM
Overall, Graham is a scumbag.... but he does sound very savvy, and I didn't get the impression he was lying about anything. Also clear that he hates Frank.
- They specifically told Sparkles 'NO' when he asked for 'dream job' clauses in his contract. Frank squandered that in the last minute with the verbal agreement that Sparkles could negotiate the buyout. That happened in the ceremonial signing meeting with Frank
- The entire goal that Graham had was to get a Big12 invite - that is why they were building the stadium. Said they needed Top 25 program, new stadium, and CSU alums in Denver to watch away games
- Contradicting someone earlier in this thread.... CSU was also at risk with the buyout. If CSU had to fire McElwain, they would have had to pay him $7.5MM. In fact, the contract that Graham negotiated was guaranteed $15MM over 10 years, with additional performance incentives that were very lucrative
- Said he was fired because his management style was different than Franks
- Said his understanding was that Frank would make the hire of the next coach.... didn't sound very enthusiastic about it
- Said the fact that CSU was touting the huge '$7MM' buyout was a farce. He subtracted the $2MM for the game in Florida because he already had CSU lined up to play a bodybag game in Michigan for a similar payout... so that was happening regardless. Then said that the original buyout language was to McElwain would have had to pay CSU $7.5MM in 30 days... instead that has now been broken out to $5MM over 6 years. Said that by his math, taking into account time value of money, CSU is getting an actual buyout of $3.8MM
Overall, Graham is a scumbag.... but he does sound very savvy, and I didn't get the impression he was lying about anything. Also clear that he hates Frank.
He is savvy. I think he did a great job with the hire and with the initial contract because he knew he needed multiple years from a guy in order to rebuild.
I can also see where his management style got in the way. I think in the end he also would have let Sparkles out of the contract (but not the buyout) because he would have to realize that the situation would become toxic if he didn't.
His point, and he was right, was the the purpose of the buyout was to close the market. If schools didn't think they could negotiate it, they might not even have sniffed around. Frank willing to negotiate the contract allowed those schools to at least test the waters and have conversations with McElwain and his agent.
Wow. Not professional. That's why you don't hire boosters a the ad
DrunkRalphie
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Big 12 invite? :rofl:
We laugh at this, but I'm going to assume Graham had conversations with the Big12 about what might need to happen to receive an invite. I think CSU is a solid Tier 2 choice for that conference, and that Graham wasn't off in 'lala' land about it happening.... but I think where they were weak was fan support. It was/is going to take many years of those 10 win seasons + big upsets over P5 teams for the fan support to become rabid enough to get attendance and TV numbers up for the Big12.
DrunkRalphie
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As much as we laugh at the idea that they'd get a Big 12 invite, it's understandable that they'd work towards securing one. They're not stupid. They see the writing on the wall. In another 5 years, you're either in or you're out. Right now, they're squarely on the oustide looking in. Without the B12 invite, they'll always be there. They're looking at what needs to be done to get that invite. The new stadium was part of that. I think it still is, in fact. They figured they had a 5-6 year window to work with to get themselves in a situation where they would be seen as a viable candidate for an invite. Problem is, there are 20 other schools in the same boat, and maybe 1-2 of them will ultimately get that golden parachute.
DrunkRalphie
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You're absolutely right, it's a smart move to try. I have no issue with that at all. They don't want to get left behind.
In my mind it rings of delusions of grandeur more than reality. As you mentioned plenty of other candidates out there with a handful that have a lot more to offer.
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