There's a lot more at risk legally for Urb if he helped hide the matter than if he simply lied to the media about knowing about it.
And I think that’s exactly why he came out and admitted knowing about it, and stated he followed proper procedures with reporting it. The question is why would he keep Smith on staff for 3 years if he did know about it and report it.There's a lot more at risk legally for Urb if he helped hide the matter than if he simply lied to the media about knowing about it.
And I think that’s exactly why he came out and admitted knowing about it, and stated he followed proper procedures with reporting it. The question is why would he keep Smith on staff for 3 years if he did know about it and report it.
Smith was given two one-year extensions in that timeframe too. Would have been pretty easy for the school to just not renew his contract.
Seems like a lot of to be just inside the middle classOh, no doubt about that. And the near physical/nervous breakdowns at FL and now the present careening onto the teeth of this new scandal are just part of the big time game.
Truthfully, I respect guys more like Craig Bohl and Frank Solich, who find a niche in which they can excel somewhat under the spotlight and bank about 800K/yr doing a job they love and having a lasting influence on the players that they coach/teach.
I was with you until your inclusion of Tom Herman in your argument. Are you comparing the wastelands of Nebraska with Texas, and saying that Herman made a bad decision by moving from Houston to UT?
Yeah, I think it's been a really long time since UT has been a viable marquee destination. I do equate Herman going to UT with Frost going to the Nubs. Neither of these moves will end well for these HCs. Then they'll be the next names in the hitch-hiking band of "name" coaches that jump around to B+ job openings....
The UCLA special.It is amazing that they haven't won more than they have over the years.
Yes. And it would have been better if MM had known and followed the procedure, one of the three failures noted in the report.The biggest differences between the situations are (1) Mac immediately reported it; (2) Tumpkin was fired almost as quickly as possible; and (3) Mac didn't lie to the national press, or anyone else, about it. The worst thing about how CU handled the situation was that Tumpkin was allowed to coach one more game. Absent that, this would have been much less of an issue.
We need to hear from Gene Smith. The decision to employ Zac Smith could possibly go higher than Gene Smith.If Urban reported it properly, is he in the clear? I mean, is he the person that signs the assistant contracts? Or is that the AD? If it is the AD, it seems to me it is the AD decision as to whether to continue to employ this guy. Not trying to defend Urban or anything, just pondering what the facts might be.
I love how OIEC is above reproach and how MM should have followed a procedure he was never informed of or trained on instead of the procedure that was in place when he was hired, he was trained on, and followed.Yes. And it would have been better if MM had known and followed the procedure, one of the three failures noted in the report.
The tOSU investigation is key.
Yes. That is one of the failures. Phil should have been fired.I love how OIEC is above reproach and how MM should have followed a procedure he was never informed of or trained on instead of the procedure that was in place when he was hired, he was trained on, and followed.
Me too. For all the wrong reasons.I have a feeling Urban keeps his job
I have a feeling Urban keeps his job
Me too. For all the wrong reasons.
because he wins football games better than anyone else except for a dude in tuscaloosa
I think he goes. The damage from this is irreparable at this point. It would be an ongoing dark cloud.Maybe the AD is in trouble but if they expect this to be wrapped up within fourteen days that probably bodes well for Urban's chances to keep it.
Yes. That's why CU personnel got into some trouble here and did handle it incorrectly. However, it was handled in the way MM and RG had been trained by OIEC -- that this was not an issue for OIEC since it happened off campus and didn't involve a student or employee. (That policy changed but MM and RG were not re-trained.) PD told them that it wasn't necessary to report or suspend. I don't know if Tumpkin would have been relieved from his position if his alleged victim had never gone public, but I have concerns that if he'd been able to negotiate a settlement that this would have quietly gone away. I suspect that is what happens a lot and that there are a hell of a lot more than the 1 or 2 DV cases a year that we actually hear about from the college coaching ranks.It seems like there is a lot of amnesia going around the board these days.
Just to re-cap the timeline for those who forgot:
12/10: Victim calls MM
12/10: MM talks to RG
12/11: Victim calls MM again
12/14: Banashek, defense lawyer for Tumpkin, calls victim
12/16: Victim tells MM via text and voicemail she's going to Colorado on 12/19 to get a protective order against Tumpkin. 1 hour later, Banashek calls the victim again
12/16: MM names Tumpkin interim DC for the bowl game
12/20: Protective order issued after interview on 12/19. Broomfield PD informs Banashek.
12/29: CU plays in bowl game with Tumpkin acting as DC
1/5: Banashek contacts victim again; she says she's planning on getting a permanent restraining order on 1/31
1/6: Daily Camera story breaks. RG comments. Later that day, Tumpkin is suspended.
1/27: Charges filed, Tumpkin resigns.
CU had multiple chances to put Tumpkin on leave until these (very serious) allegations were sorted out. They did NOTHING until the story was public knowledge. MM had the chance NOT to elevate Tumpkin to Interim DC when he had heard a credible accusation about Tumpkin being an abuser. To suggest that the situations are equivalent is incorrect. But to suggest that they are not comparable is revisionist history, and something that only makes sense through black and gold glasses.
It seems like there is a lot of amnesia going around the board these days.
Just to re-cap the timeline for those who forgot:
12/10: Victim calls MM
12/10: MM talks to RG
12/11: Victim calls MM again
12/14: Banashek, defense lawyer for Tumpkin, calls victim
12/16: Victim tells MM via text and voicemail she's going to Colorado on 12/19 to get a protective order against Tumpkin. 1 hour later, Banashek calls the victim again
12/16: MM names Tumpkin interim DC for the bowl game
12/20: Protective order issued after interview on 12/19. Broomfield PD informs Banashek.
12/29: CU plays in bowl game with Tumpkin acting as DC
1/5: Banashek contacts victim again; she says she's planning on getting a permanent restraining order on 1/31
1/6: Daily Camera story breaks. RG comments. Later that day, Tumpkin is suspended.
1/27: Charges filed, Tumpkin resigns.
CU had multiple chances to put Tumpkin on leave until these (very serious) allegations were sorted out. They did NOTHING until the story was public knowledge. MM had the chance NOT to elevate Tumpkin to Interim DC when he had heard a credible accusation about Tumpkin being an abuser. To suggest that the situations are equivalent is incorrect. But to suggest that they are not comparable is revisionist history, and something that only makes sense through black and gold glasses.
What bothers me the most about this whole thing was the politics. Phil D told MM and RG the wrong thing despite every indication from other situations showing that he knew better. Beyond that, he was a boneheaded executive by not even talking to legal council immediately when there was an accusation of DV made against a high profile university employee. Then, you've got OIEC that didn't even do its frickin job because when reporting policies changed they neglected to remember that athletic department employees were part of the university and also needed to be re-trained just like everyone else.I think the craziest part of the timeline is DiStephano's inaction. The first time he approached CU legal counsel about the issue was basically pulling him aside for a quick conversation at a bowl game event. That seems like an important call to make ASAP after you given the initial info.
It seems like there is a lot of amnesia going around the board these days.
Just to re-cap the timeline for those who forgot:
12/10: Victim calls MM
12/10: MM talks to RG
12/11: Victim calls MM again
12/14: Banashek, defense lawyer for Tumpkin, calls victim
12/16: Victim tells MM via text and voicemail she's going to Colorado on 12/19 to get a protective order against Tumpkin. 1 hour later, Banashek calls the victim again
12/16: MM names Tumpkin interim DC for the bowl game
12/20: Protective order issued after interview on 12/19. Broomfield PD informs Banashek.
12/29: CU plays in bowl game with Tumpkin acting as DC
1/5: Banashek contacts victim again; she says she's planning on getting a permanent restraining order on 1/31
1/6: Daily Camera story breaks. RG comments. Later that day, Tumpkin is suspended.
1/27: Charges filed, Tumpkin resigns.
CU had multiple chances to put Tumpkin on leave until these (very serious) allegations were sorted out. They did NOTHING until the story was public knowledge. MM had the chance NOT to elevate Tumpkin to Interim DC when he had heard a credible accusation about Tumpkin being an abuser. To suggest that the situations are equivalent is incorrect. But to suggest that they are not comparable is revisionist history, and something that only makes sense through black and gold glasses.