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Investigation completed: Meyer suspended three games

Nothing is gong to happen to him. In a few days, maybe a week or two, he’ll be back and no one will be talking about his. This isn’t CU.
 
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manhattanbuf said:
I’m not aware of the laws in Ohio; but, when I was teaching at a public school in Minnesota, we had specific reporting requirements (legal) when it came to things like child abuse/sexual abuse for one of our students or colleagues. The abuse definition included incidents of DV. I can’t believe that a board certified nurse and teacher at the state’s biggest nursing school wouldn’t have similar reporting requirements.
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TSchekler said:
It’s a fireable offense, but it can’t be an actual crime accompanied by jail time can it?
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In Colorado it is known as being a mandatory reporter. As a licensed employee of a public school system I am a mandatory reporter. I am required by law to report child abuse or potential child abuse to DHS any time I am aware of it, even if I am outside of my work environment. I cannot pass this responsibility on to another person. Where I work I have normally turned the reporting over to our counselors but I still have to personally follow up to make sure the report was received by DHS.

Reporting standards for licensed medical professionals go beyond child abuse to include any situation which would indicate that a person is at undue risk to their health and safety. I can't imagine Ohio not having similar laws and if Meyer's wife is instructing I would imagine she has a nursing license.

In Colorado failure to report cannot result in jail time but it can result in immediate termination of an employment contract and the loss of a professional license. The individual can also be sued for damages resulting from the failure to report in civil court and the victim has a high probability of gaining a significant judgement.
 
4DemBuffs said:
I’m not so sure about that. If the admin has a hand in this, there is going to be a sea change all throughout the upper levels and it’ll take a while for all the dust to settle. You may be right but, it’ll be interesting to watch.

I’m thinking it’ll take a while.
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Perhaps, but we're talking about the school that's basically written the book on how to overcome (get around? evade?) potentially devestating situations.

I think I'm putting my money on a horse named "Act Fast Forget Quick". The jockey's wearing scarlet silks.
 
Yesterday on the radio I heard variation of M.M survived this at Colorado. Makes me so frustrated. Mike called his Boss right away. Urban allegedly called his trust fund friend that has followed him since Utah. At least this was how this friendship was described by one of his former Utah players.
 
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pcbuff said:
Yesterday on the radio I heard variation of M.M survived this at Colorado. Makes me so frustrated. Mike called his Boss right away. Urban allegedly called his trust fund friend that has followed him since Utah.
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I think I heard the same broadcast and the analogy was poor at best.
 
If the big media outlets start mentioning MM and CUs situation as precedent for Urban not getting fired, that’s when I’ll care about people comparing the two. Until then, the uneducated commoners can say what they want
 
Buffnik said:
Yeah. Urban belittled McMurphy for his initial report and basically said it was made up. In a media address, no less. Dared McMurphy to prove if he wanted to save his reputation, basically. Well, he proved it.
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That’s a good idea...piss off a reporter. Smart.
 
Urb and his wife were/are both mandated reporters, per Ohio law.

They both gone.
 
The narrative taking shape amongst OSU fans is that the evidence he knew is circumstantial (McMurphy said as much last night on SpirtsCenter). While technically correct, the resolution under that line of reasoning is his wife getting fired and being distanced from any role she has with the football program. That is the "best case" scenario for Meyer right now.
 
Duff Man said:
The narrative taking shape amongst OSU fans is that the evidence he knew is circumstantial (McMurphy said as much last night on SpirtsCenter). While technically correct, the resolution under that line of reasoning is his wife getting fired and being distanced from any role she has with the football program. That is the "best case" scenario for Meyer right now.
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If Urb lets his wife take the fall and never comes clean about his own role in all this, he's even more of a ****ing douchebag than his exit from Florida exposed him to be.
 
Duff Man said:
The narrative taking shape amongst OSU fans is that the evidence he knew is circumstantial (McMurphy said as much last night on SpirtsCenter). While technically correct, the resolution under that line of reasoning is his wife getting fired and being distanced from any role she has with the football program. That is the "best case" scenario for Meyer right now.
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This would be bad on so many levels.
 
CarmelBuff said:
I knew this was coming...sheeesh
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...ecedent-for-the-current-urban-meyer-situation
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They also tried to compare it with the Sean Miller allegation of paying Ayton $100k - a completely unrelated matter which I have trouble understanding how it even gets into this piece. Feels like hero worshippers are reaching for anything that could form the basis for an argument to keep Urban.

Most telling is that they don't bring up Briles, the current sexual misconduct investigation at OSU that is important background to the current climate there, Michigan State, Penn State or Rutgers.
 
Buffnik said:
They also tried to compare it with the Sean Miller allegation of paying Ayton $100k - a completely unrelated matter which I have trouble understanding how it even gets into this piece. Feels like hero worshippers are reaching for anything that could form the basis for an argument to keep Urban.

Most telling is that they don't bring up Briles, the current sexual misconduct investigation at OSU that is important background to the current climate there, Michigan State, Penn State or Rutgers.
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I didn't get the Sean Miller comparison either that went way off the path. As soon as I heard the report though it sounded eerily similar to Macs so I was waiting for the article to popup.
 
CarmelBuff said:
I didn't get the Sean Miller comparison either that went way off the path. As soon as I heard the report though it sounded eerily similar to Macs so I was waiting for the article to popup.
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MacIntyre case:
1. Wife was reached out to by alleged victim.
2. Neither wife nor victim were university employees.
3. MacIntyre spoke to victim at urging of wife.
4. MacIntyre immediately reported to superior (George), as he had been trained by university OIEC.
5. MacIntyre and George immediately reported to big boss (Chancellor DiStefano), who directed that it was not necessary to suspend accused assistant (Tumpkin).
6. About a month and a half later, a police report was filed and Tumpkin was immediately put on leave.
7. A little after that Tumpkin's contract was up and he was not renewed.
8. The CU Board of Regents determined that MacIntyre and George should each pay a penalty ($100k each, iirc) because they didn't follow current OIEC guidelines which had changed in the years after their last training -- even though they had never been re-trained and even though their boss who has been a stickler on these very guidelines in other cases directed them incorrectly.

Meyer case:
1. Hired a guy that had abused his pregnant wife while under him at Florida.
2. Alleged victim reached out to Urban's wife.
3. Both wife and victim were university employees.
4. Victim provided photos of the injuries from the abuse.
5. That outreach was 3 years ago.
6. Urban did nothing then lied to the media and the university when asked if he knew anything - despite everyone, including local police knowing.
7. University either knew that there was a problem or was uneasy that there might be - went into CYA mode with Urban's new contract extension this spring by adding specific language about non-reporting as a "for cause" reason for termination that had not been in previous iteration of contract.
8. The reporter who was belittled by Urban when he published an initial report on this with Urban daring him to prove it ended up producing a story with damning text message that proved it.

Sound the same?
 
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Somewhere back in this thread, I read that all the coaches wives knew. Most obviously aren't employed by the school, but there could end up being more casualties.

The only part that gets me is that, iirc, the cops were called to the Smith house at least 9 times for domestic disturbance. Isn't it reasonable to think that some reporting by staff/faculty may have happened and isn't publicly known? If the wife or police who responded refused to press charges, what possible reasons exist?

Thankfully, I'm ignorant on this general issue, and hope to stay that way.
 
The Ogre said:
Somewhere back in this thread, I read that all the coaches wives knew. Most obviously aren't employed by the school, but there could end up being more casualties.

The only part that gets me is that, iirc, the cops were called to the Smith house at least 9 times for domestic disturbance. Isn't it reasonable to think that some reporting by staff/faculty may have happened and isn't publicly known? If the wife or police who responded refused to press charges, what possible reasons exist?

Thankfully, I'm ignorant on this general issue, and hope to stay that way.
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Not sure all, but at least one other assistant coach's wife was referenced in the report yesterday. So you are right, probably some collateral damage is going to occur regardless.
 
I'm trying to imagine a case where my wife would be contacted by someone being abused by someone who works for me, be asked by the victim to tell me, and decide not to bother me with it.

I have seen Urban's defenders suggesting exactly that and I find it ludicrous.
 
Buffnik said:
MacIntyre case:
1. Wife was reached out to by alleged victim.
2. Neither wife nor victim were university employees.
3. MacIntyre spoke to victim at urging of wife.
4. MacIntyre immediately reported to superior (George), as he had been trained by university OIEC.
5. MacIntyre and George immediately reported to big boss (Chancellor DiStefano), who directed that it was not necessary to suspend accused assistant (Tumpkin).
6. About a month and a half later, a police report was filed and Tumpkin was immediate put on leave.
7. A little after that Tumpkin's contract was up and he was not renewed.
8. The CU Board of Regents determined that MacIntyre and George should each pay a penalty ($100k each, iirc) because they didn't follow current OIEC guidelines which had changed in the years after their last training -- even though they had never been re-trained and even though their boss who has been a stickler on these very guidelines in other cases directed them incorrectly.

Meyer case:
1. Hired a guy that had abused his pregnant wife while under him at Florida.
2. Alleged victim reached out to Urban's wife.
3. Both wife and victim were university employees.
4. Victim provided photos of the injuries from the abuse.
5. That outreach was 3 years ago.
6. Urban did nothing then lied to the media and the university when asked if he knew anything - despite everyone, including local police knowing.
7. University either knew that there was a problem or was uneasy that there might be - went into CYA mode with Urban's new contract extension this spring by adding specific language about non-reporting as a "for cause" reason for termination that had not been in previous iteration of contract.
8. The reporter who was belittled by Urban when he published an initial report on this with Urban daring him to prove it ended up producing a story with damning text message that proved it.

Sound the same?
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Should probably add “5A” under HCMM case....Tumpkin named as defensive play caller for Alamo Bowl.

That is the piece, IMO, that looks bad in the HCMM timeline. Doesn’t change the conclusion that these are not the same, but from a public perception perspective, 5A is important.
 
Buffnik said:
I'm trying to imagine a case where my wife would be contacted by someone being abused by someone who works for me, be asked by the victim to tell me, and decide not to bother me with it.

I have seen Urban's defenders suggesting exactly that and I find it ludicrous.
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I can imagine it. She has likely learned the principle of plausible deniability over the years and may be conflicted by the benefits of the lifestyle afforded by her husband’s 9M salary.

On the other hand, she very well may be a principled woman and told him. Maybe she even reported it to tOSU.

There are way too many unanswered questions right now.

I support the current path. Administrative leave and investigation.

They will get to the bottom of this.
 
TSchekler said:
They are going to have to definitively find out that Urban’s wife did, in fact, tell him about it. I think a reasonable person can assume with confidence that she did, but I don’t think there are texts or any other evidence that officially confirms he knew about it, yet.
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Oh, she will take the fall for this. You know she will. Save hubby and his much higher paying job.
 
Go Buffs said:
Should probably add “5A” under HCMM case....Tumpkin named as defensive play caller for Alamo Bowl.

That is the piece, IMO, that looks bad in the HCMM timeline. Doesn’t change the conclusion that these are not the same, but from a public perception perspective, 5A is important.
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While I get that as far as optics are concerned, I have no problem with it pragmatically. If someone is on your staff and is the most qualified person on that staff to fill a role, you assign him that role. I've never understood why anyone had an issue with this. There was no promotion. There was no bonus outside of what was already in every assistant's contract for making a bowl game. There was no statement by MacIntyre that he was considering Tumpkin to become his new DC to follow Leavitt (although local media was strongly pushing it he refused to play along). So what was the big deal? I expect MacIntyre to use the resources available to him.
 
hawg1 said:
I can imagine it. She has likely learned the principle of plausible deniability over the years and may be conflicted by the benefits of the lifestyle afforded by her husband’s 9M salary.

On the other hand, she very well may be a principled woman and told him. Maybe she even reported it to tOSU.

There are way too many unanswered questions right now.

I support the current path. Administrative leave and investigation.

They will get to the bottom of this.
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Plausible deniability within the family business does make some sense. Especially if she already knew that he knew.
 
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