If the big media outlets start mentioning MM and CUs situation as precedent for Urban not getting fired, that’s when I’ll care about people comparing the two. Until then, the uneducated commoners can say what they want
Urban's wife taking the blame to save his job would probably create an even bigger **** storm in the media and among the masses than what we have already seen. As the Tweet I posted earlier in the thread mentioned, Urban's Wife knew, Urban's assistant coaches wives knew (almost guarantee his other asst coaches knew), and Urban's mentor knew. You're telling me he didn't know?Oh, she will take the fall for this. You know she will. Save hubby and his much higher paying job.
If you are going to add that, then also add 6. Victim did not live with the abuser and was safe in another state.Should probably add “5A” under HCMM case....Tumpkin named as defensive play caller for Alamo Bowl.
That is the piece, IMO, that looks bad in the HCMM timeline. Doesn’t change the conclusion that these are not the same, but from a public perception perspective, 5A is important.
Huh? Why would the University want to make a change? He's arguably the best coach in college football and one of the best of all time. If he's fired, it'll solely be due to Ohio State administration not wanting to deal with the PR nightmare or being forced to comply with Title IX.To me it boils down to the relationship between Meyer and the University. If they want to make a change this gives them the vehicle for doing so. If they absolutely love the guy they’ll punish him, maybe fine him and make him take training, and keep him.
Even if none of those people know, we all know the relationship between a high profile P5 HC and the local police in that university town. Do you believe that those police were out to this assistant's home 9 times and that no one ever mentioned it to Urban?Urban's wife taking the blame to save his job would probably create an even bigger **** storm in the media and among the masses than what we have already seen. As the Tweet I posted earlier in the thread mentioned, Urban's Wife knew, Urban's assistant coaches wives knew (almost guarantee his other asst coaches knew), and Urban's mentor knew. You're telling me he didn't know?
If Urban skates on this simply because there isn't evidence that proves he knew, without a doubt, it will officially be the biggest joke in the history of college football scandals.
But as a CU fan that gets hammered for violations that the big boys don’t even get a slap on the wrist over, it certainly is what I think is a distinct possibility.Urban's wife taking the blame to save his job would probably create an even bigger **** storm in the media and among the masses than what we have already seen. As the Tweet I posted earlier in the thread mentioned, Urban's Wife knew, Urban's assistant coaches wives knew (almost guarantee his other asst coaches knew), and Urban's mentor knew. You're telling me he didn't know?
If Urban skates on this simply because there isn't evidence that proves he knew, without a doubt, it will officially be the biggest joke in the history of college football scandals.
Probably the most important thing that I did not post.If you are going to add that, then also add 6. Victim did not live with the abuser and was safe in another state.
I think there is too much "beaten dog syndrome" around here. Outside of "the scandal" under Barnett, when was the last time CU got hammered for violations that the big boys didn't even get a slap on the wrist over? Remember that most of the scandal sanctions and training table punishments were self-imposed by the University. Ohio State is as blue blood as they come and they and Urban Meyer are getting absolutely hammered right now.But as a CU fan that gets hammered for violations that the big boys don’t even get a slap on the wrist over, it certainly is what I think is a distinct possibility.
That’s my point. I don’t think they will fire him. He’ll get a slap on the wrist, undergo some training, and be back on the sidelines.Huh? Why would the University want to make a change? He's arguably the best coach in college football and one of the best of all time. If he's fired, it'll solely be due to Ohio State administration not wanting to deal with the PR nightmare or being forced to comply with Title IX.
Bigger than Baylor? That was bad.Urban's wife taking the blame to save his job would probably create an even bigger **** storm in the media and among the masses than what we have already seen. As the Tweet I posted earlier in the thread mentioned, Urban's Wife knew, Urban's assistant coaches wives knew (almost guarantee his other asst coaches knew), and Urban's mentor knew. You're telling me he didn't know?
If Urban skates on this simply because there isn't evidence that proves he knew, without a doubt, it will officially be the biggest joke in the history of college football scandals.
1) Yes, the CU case is extremely different, but this is also the collateral damage that CU gets for mistakes that were made. Don't want to be dragged into **** like this? Then do better. How hard would it have been to place Tumpkin on administrative leave before the bowl game? Does it bother anyone that people in power were aware that he was a sick person, and still let him coach and mentor student athletes?
2) Which brings me to the bigger point - Does it bother anyone else that it seems like this is endemic to the sport? Nobody is shocked that these guys are beating the **** out of women. We just talk about how or if it was swept under the rug, and move on to the next incident. Our love of football seems to make us willing to accept that a certain amount of this sort of behavior is going to happen, and that the real issue is how it is dealt with to protect programs. When stuff like this happens, we talk about how surprised we are (or aren't) that OSU and Meyer played it so wrong. It all just starts to make me a little sick about having this sport be such a big part of my life every fall.
Not ready to give it up yet, but a lot closer than I ever thought I would be.
I think there is too much "beaten dog syndrome" around here. Outside of "the scandal" under Barnett, when was the last time CU got hammered for violations that the big boys didn't even get a slap on the wrist over? Remember that most of the scandal sanctions and training table punishments were self-imposed by the University. Ohio State is as blue blood as they come and they and Urban Meyer are getting absolutely hammered right now.
I agree with the latter post (sadly). But the NCAA is weird - crushed USC, did nothing to Baylor, let off PSU kind of light (if you ask me), did nothing to FSU (Winston), and what the hell is going on with UNC?That’s my point. I don’t think they will fire him. He’ll get a slap on the wrist, undergo some training, and be back on the sidelines.
I think there is too much "beaten dog syndrome" around here. Outside of "the scandal" under Barnett, when was the last time CU got hammered for violations that the big boys didn't even get a slap on the wrist over? Remember that most of the scandal sanctions and training table punishments were self-imposed by the University. Ohio State is as blue blood as they come and they and Urban Meyer are getting absolutely hammered right now.
Definitely not worse than Baylor, but Baylor did clean house with the staff and administration.Bigger than Baylor? That was bad.
Even if none of those people know, we all know the relationship between a high profile P5 HC and the local police in that university town. Do you believe that those police were out to this assistant's home 9 times and that no one ever mentioned it to Urban?
That’s my point. I don’t think they will fire him. He’ll get a slap on the wrist, undergo some training, and be back on the sidelines.
His contract has a strict stipulation on reporting. Of course, it has to be determined what he knew and when. Then they will act.To me it boils down to the relationship between Meyer and the University. If they want to make a change this gives them the vehicle for doing so. If they absolutely love the guy they’ll punish him, maybe fine him and make him take training, and keep him.
The NCAA overstepped their purview on PSU. Had to walk it back. Learned their lesson. That was a criminal matter. Outside NCAA jurisdiction.I agree with the latter post (sadly). But the NCAA is weird - crushed USC, did nothing to Baylor, let off PSU kind of light (if you ask me), did nothing to FSU (Winston), and what the hell is going on with UNC?
The NCAA overstepped their purview on PSU. Had to walk it back. Learned their lesson. That was a criminal matter. Outside NCAA jurisdiction.
With respect, I see very little applicable parallels on these matters, nor should there be. I think each are different enough to merit their own unique assessment and actions.
Definitely not worse than Baylor, but Baylor did clean house with the staff and administration.
Bigger than Baylor? That was bad.
Points taken. All I am trying to imply is that the NCAA is all over the place, you never know what you’re going to get, especially if a university doesn’t hammer their own dicks.The NCAA overstepped their purview on PSU. Had to walk it back. Learned their lesson. That was a criminal matter. Outside NCAA jurisdiction.
With respect, I see very little applicable parallels on these matters, nor should there be. I think each are different enough to merit their own unique assessment and actions.
I mean, there's an entirely new coaching staff at Baylor and I'm pretty sure multiple high level administrators resigned or were let go. I could be wrong, but I thought that's what happened. I'm not saying anything "nice" about the Baylor situation and obviously the institutional failure and overlooking of widespread rape that went on is one of the worst things imaginable.Dude. Baylor only fired one coach from their **** storm. They should not get anything positive said about them. IIRC, they only fired Starr after initially demoting him, but allowing him to keep teaching in the law school. I think they got crucified by the public for that which is the only reason they actually terminated him.
Yes that was the part to me that was similar...Still on staff while they knew about situation.Should probably add “5A” under HCMM case....Tumpkin named as defensive play caller for Alamo Bowl.
That is the piece, IMO, that looks bad in the HCMM timeline. Doesn’t change the conclusion that these are not the same, but from a public perception perspective, 5A is important.
I mean, there's an entirely new coaching staff at Baylor and I'm pretty sure multiple high level administrators resigned or were let go. I could be wrong, but I thought that's what happened. I'm not saying anything "nice" about the Baylor situation and obviously the institutional failure and overlooking of widespread rape that went on is one of the worst things imaginable.
Yes that was the part to me that was similar...Still on staff while they knew about situation.