We don't know what the allegation is, but under Colorado law, yes that would qualify. Read the link to the law that Buffnik posted above.
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Julmisse arrested Thursday, court appearance Friday - dismissed from the team
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No, that was a hypothetical, that was illustrating how the optics of a DV charge could be bad, while the actual situation could be minor.
Nobody is rationalizing anything. We are simply not damming him to a lifetime in prison based on an arrest that we don't know any of the facts on. For some reason, you are already doing that. You literally don't know a single thing about what actually happened. What happened to innocent until proven guilty. JFC
Serenity is right in that, Julmisse picked a terrible time to do anything like this. Regardless of how minor or major the actual allegations end up being, it was stupid. It cannot happen after what the school just went through. Unfortunately for him, if the situation ends up being a minor one, Mac is going to have to drop the hammer on him.
Plain stupid.
Plain stupid.
SerenityBuff
Well-Known Member
Stop with they hyperbolic bull****. Whether or not he is convicted and sentenced is for the courts to decide. Please show me where I said otherwise. But this is not a legal system forum, it is a Colorado Football board. And coming off the off season we just did, he needs to go. The sad thing is you're rationalizing without even realizing you're doing it. It's the same **** people have been doing in defense of abusers for years. This is how it starts.
Political correctness. Denunciation is immediate, and need not wait on a verdict.
I understand what you are getting at. I do. However if he gets charged with DV because he destroyed property and did not actually lay a hand on her, what then? It isn't black and white, regardless of how much we would like it be the contrary.
If the guy laid a finger on this woman, he should go to jail. In that scenario he deserves everything that would be coming for him.
I'm the one throwing around hyperbolic bull****? Child please.
Domestic Violence can be something minor (as mentioned), other than outright violence against a person. However, there is a charge of third degree assault, which implies this is more serious. You are not held without bail for assaulting a phone or video game.
wyomingBUFF
Well-Known Member
He's not on the team this year, move on.
Not worth rationalizing until we know facts. But it's likely not good.
So...Udoffia? Does Wigley put it together?
Not worth rationalizing until we know facts. But it's likely not good.
So...Udoffia? Does Wigley put it together?
Ya that obviously isn't good.
http://law.justia.com/codes/colorado/2016/title-18/article-3/part-2/section-18-3-204
I saw somebody on Scout say that a third degree assault charge automatically comes when there is a DV charge. Again, this isn't black & white and nobody knows ****. Why are people assuming the worst?
Well, I'm not gonna throw him under the bus when we have no idea what happened. That said, use your damn brain and don't put yourself in positions like this. Whatever happens, I sure as hell hope he learns from it.
SerenityBuff
Well-Known Member
Suspending him indefinitely is a good start. And if he is eventually cleared, which doesn't seem likely considering the charges, Mac's comments, and the fact that they've involved the Title IX office on campus, then potentially he could work his way back onto the team. Mac has shown us he favors this approach. The worst thing they could've done would've been to allow him to participate until "all the facts come in" and then dealt with it at that time. That's what they did with Tumpkin and that's what started this whole **** storm. The old "wait-and-see" approach. It looks like they may have actually learned something from that and are not going down that road again.
And I agree. If he touched her, he's gone. I don't see how anyone could argue otherwise.
CitizenKane
Well-Known Member
What the heck I am going to wade in. Everyone on this board is rationalizing and guessing and people are doing it in both directions. We don't have the facts and until we do it is really quite impossible to say whether Julmisse should be gone or not.
That being said, the one fact we have is that Julmisse is currently under lock and key. Typically speaking someone wouldn't be held like that unless the situation were serious. So, while I am reserving judgment until I hear more about the incident and charges, I am already expecting him to be gone and anticipating that dismissing him will be the right thing to do.
Bottom line now is that I hope the other person involved is ok and that CU does the right thing.
That being said, the one fact we have is that Julmisse is currently under lock and key. Typically speaking someone wouldn't be held like that unless the situation were serious. So, while I am reserving judgment until I hear more about the incident and charges, I am already expecting him to be gone and anticipating that dismissing him will be the right thing to do.
Bottom line now is that I hope the other person involved is ok and that CU does the right thing.
Nobody is
I think we can all agree that CU, Mac in particular, have taken all the proper and reasonable steps in dealing with this. Drastic improvement over the previous situation.
I think he's gone even if it turns out to be something very minor. They will make an example out of him. Something they can show kids in future years - "Julmisse did 'x' and was kicked off the team for it. Don't put yourself in a situation where this can happen to you".
Totally agree...he might have lost the trust of his teammates as well. He's as good as gone perhaps via transfer.
For sure. But that doesn't necessarily mean violence against the same person to whom the DV charge relates.
This looks awful and was at the least a bad situation, but we don't know any facts yet.
And it should go without saying that if he got violent with a woman that his time at CU is done.
Well, we do know some facts: Fact one- he was charged with domestic violence. Fact two- the football team and head coach and entire athletic department just came under serious scrutiny because a former coach was engaged in violent behavior towards his girlfriend. These two facts make just about anything that may come out of the Julmisse situation irrelevant. He gone. They will have a zero tolerance policy, even if it's found that he threw her phone in the creek. It doesn't matter what he actually did, anything he did that could be considered an act of domestic violence is grounds for dismissal. Even if he's found innocent, the fact that he was charged is probably enough so they will cut ties. Just not worth the potential fallout.
AllStarBuffs
Member
Speculating that he threw a phone in a creek which in turn got him charged with 3rd degree assault, DV, kicked off the team and held without bond must be one of the dumbest things I've read on this forum.
I doubt that he's gone if all he did was throw her phone in the creek....
Also, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. But I would agree, this is a zero tolerance environment.
Also, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. But I would agree, this is a zero tolerance environment.
How to explain this without being condescending...
Nobody is actually speculating that he threw her phone in the creek. The example of throwing a phone in the creek was used to illustrate an example of when a very minor infraction could still lead to the charge of domestic violence. Nobody knows exactly what led to the charge and nobody is speculating as to what led to the charge.
No one in the public knows what he did. The only speculation involved with the scenario you posted is that it COULD be one scenario that would have gotten him the 4 charges filed against him.
Mac would have to suspend him regardless of what he actually did, due to the types of charges that were filed.
You continue to show up on these boards and make a fool out of yourself, all in the name of specifically coming after me. Can't fix stupid, I guess.
AllStarBuffs
Member
Lol, still the dumbest post ive seen on here and I've been around quite a bit longer than you have, Tshrek aka Tini 2.0
I'm surprised you actually managed to graduate from CU, at least you say you have, but I hear psychology degrees are pretty easy...
I'm surprised you actually managed to graduate from CU, at least you say you have, but I hear psychology degrees are pretty easy...
You continue to show up on these boards and make a fool out of yourself, all in the name of specifically coming after me. Can't fix stupid, I guess.
What makes it the dumbest post you have ever seen? The simple fact that you don't agree with it? Because by the letter of the law it is a 100% plausible scenario.