That kid has a good tough game and would be awesome to have! I strongly feel that a Transfer Center is the right thing to look for!
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Lookin ahead to 2021-22
- Thread starter Buffnik
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I keep seeing this. Someone who thinks this way tell me where are the minutes coming from? Who are you giving less PT to?
He could come in start with Lovering coming off the bench. I doubt Lovering is better than him as a Freshman.
Ok, so give the transfer Dallas’ minutes.
When does Lovering play? You taking minutes from Jabari? TDS? What about Allen?
We don’t need a big.
This kid is a legit starting center in the Big East that has a low post game and is a far better rebounder than Walton. He would start ahead of Lovering or split time with him. Getting better is getting better
Not if it takes minutes away from the heart of the team. Not if it takes minutes away from the most promising recruit(s) we've had in years. Not if it takes minutes away from a potential NBA draft pick. Not if it fills a scholarship with someone who can actually get these big men the ball.
Why the hell is everyone obsessed with getting this team more big men when the bigs are already facing a minutes crunch and there's a huge gap in the backcourt for PT? Has no one watched basketball since the Knicks - Heat series in the 1990s? Meanwhile we're losing a PG who played 81% of all available minutes last year (234th in the nation). I feel like this board's obsession with big men is like the Dril tweet about the candles and budgeting.
BTW, you know who else rebounded better than Walton? Jabari Walker. Who only got 14 mpg and who would not get more PT if we brought in another big man.
And for all the size queens on this board:
Teams in the Ken Pom top 20 of average height by minutes played that are still in the tournament:
* Florida State
* USC
Oregon St, Gonzaga and Syracuse are all in the 21-30 range.
The weighted average of S16 teams is 91.
Height =/= Winning
If it did, I would be a good basketball player. I am not.
Further - here's the Pac-12 rankings by height with conference placement in parenthesis:
* USC (2)
* Stanford (7)
* Washington St (10)
* Arizona (5)
* Oregon St (6)
* Washington (11)
* Utah (8)
* Oregon (1)
* Cal (12)
* Colorado (3)
* UCLA (4)
* Arizona St (9)
Teams in the Ken Pom top 20 of average height by minutes played that are still in the tournament:
* Florida State
* USC
Oregon St, Gonzaga and Syracuse are all in the 21-30 range.
The weighted average of S16 teams is 91.
Height =/= Winning
If it did, I would be a good basketball player. I am not.
Further - here's the Pac-12 rankings by height with conference placement in parenthesis:
* USC (2)
* Stanford (7)
* Washington St (10)
* Arizona (5)
* Oregon St (6)
* Washington (11)
* Utah (8)
* Oregon (1)
* Cal (12)
* Colorado (3)
* UCLA (4)
* Arizona St (9)
Nice job. This made me laugh.
He was also useless defensively when Tad put Walker at the 5 and ran plays to get him open at the 3-point line. Wahab is a good player, but a better fit for the Big East or B10 where they don't have to guard the 4 and 5 all over the court. Can you name me one Tad recruit who was only fit to defend the low post?
That is a good point. I think first priority should be PG anyways. Don't we he have 2 scholarships to give?
From what we all know the essence of Tad Ball to be, what makes anyone think we need two Centers in the progam? If anything we need to replace Horne's minutes/points. A grad point guard and a swing/PF who can shoot, but can also muscle up when needed. Lovering will get 10-14 minutes a game, basically what Dallas got. Any Center coming in will likely top out at 15-20 minutes a game. Not exactly enticing for a guy like Wahab who was averaging 28 min/game. Would I take him, sure. Will he be coming here? No.
No, Wahab is a stud. He's not coming here, but he's a stud. The thing I don't understand is why people consistently say that we need more bigs. We don't. Every damn thread about next year has comments of "we need to add a big man to compete next year".
Buffsbball
Well-Known Member
I agree with you completely. Plus this big in question had 5 total assists in an entire season and as BuffsNYC can't defend the perimeter, and hasn't attempted a 3 in two years, not exactly the ideal modern day big. We need an experienced guard that can shoot the 3 and that's that.
good stuff.
legit question, you follow this closer than I do. but common belief used to be that you could win in the regular season lacking big man talent, but not in the tourney. do you know if that's true today?
The "common belief" as you put it, is you have to have guards to win in the tournament. Villanova's two national titles are proof of concept.
jumped ship
Well-Known Member
question for the group – how many minutes per game would a freshman Dinwiddie have gotten on this years team?
He gets Maddox's minutes. Maybe cuts into a bit of Eli's, but doubt it. He was damn good his frosh year too.
jumped ship
Well-Known Member
Makes sense. They aren't at his level, but thinking about this in the context of Nique or LOB making the sophomore jump. They were at a disadvantage being on such a deep team.
We need to add a big man to compete next year.
(But only if Walton takes a long due retirement)
So lovering isn't that guy?
gone native
Club Member
What’s really nice is getting a talented 6’6” point guard
Is Tad going to switch to zone defense? Because from what I saw in the Georgetown game, the only way having a center who can't guard on the perimeter can work in today's game is if you run a defense like Syracuse or Washington.
I think Lovering will have a big adjustment in year 1 coming from Wyoming HS hoops. It's not like he's played on top AAU teams in a bunch of national tourneys. Year 1 is an "Ease in" year.
Easing in shouldn't take a full year.
It likely will. Buff fans should lower initial expectations. He is a bit light, and inexperienced. Hope I'm wrong, I love upside surprises. I'm preparing for a reasonable adjustment period.
Bigs do usually take longer to develop.
Wouldn't surprise me at all if Lovering is eased in with Evan & Walker making it so we start 2 PFs and we roll without a center outside of the 15 minutes a game Lovering gives us.
And that's just fine. If he starts early or plays 20+ minutes a night, then to me it means he's an absolute stud.
He's the 2d highest recruit Tad has ever gotten. If he's not ready to contribute significant minutes by conference time he's disappointing. The chances of getting someone more likely to contribute, especially in a secondary role since Battey and Bari are going to be considered near locks to start and TDS is going to be expected to play a lot of 4 minutes, seems very low. If the best player available is a big, good, but it's not a need. You can't pigeonhole top 60 recruits as non-contributors in year 1.