Idot Buff
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What evidence do we have that the team is now "mentally tougher?" I would like to believe you, but I don't think there is any evidence to backup your statement.
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Mike MacIntyre: Does He Make It Through 2016?
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They tend not to flat out quit during games. They are mentally tougher, but still have more to do in closing out games instead of folding.
Correct, and probably fair to say that their ability to take that next step will determine in M2 stays or goes.
They are now putting themselves in position to win some games which they weren't under Hawkins/Embree. Doesn't matter though if they don't start to actually turn some of those into Ws.
Is it fair to say that the main culprits in this team's failure to finish are on the offensive side of the ball in short yardage and red zone situations?
No. There have been plenty of times when one more stop would have either cemented momentum or put the offense into victory formation or given the offense 1 more chance.
I'm not saying the defense is blameless, I just think the offense is the weaker of the two units (ST might be the worst of all 3), and their inability to pick up 3rd or 4th and shorts, consistently, as well as score TDs in the red zone are shoulder most of the blame.
I see what you mean, but honestly, none of them have stepped up in the biggest moments. All three areas have really struggled to make those one or two plays to win football games late in the 4th quarter or OT.
This is it.
We have had a number of games when any one unit stepping up would have created a win and nobody did.
A part of this is talent. It seems like the last few minutes of a tight game and everyone is playing at their max is when talent make the difference. The other part is just mental/emotional. Somebody has to step up and give the others reason to believe.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
I don't see the logic in keeping Mac based on 1 recruiting class if he misses a bowl again. No doubt recruiting has improved, but we're currently recruiting at about a middle of the conference level, which is fine, but it's not like we have a top 10 class that can't be duplicated by another coach.
If the current verbals are the peak of our class, then I agree. However, let's say for a moment that we are somehow able to land verbals from the three 4*+ Gorman prospects, as well as other highly rated recruits we are in on, and end up with a top 25 class, then I think it has to be considered.
RG may not keep him but it would definitely be a tough decision in that case. We have all complained about recruiting for so long that we should respect a class of that caliber , bowl or no bowl.
This. With a weaker than average offense that we have it really would have helped if the D could have gotten stops. 2014 there were three games at least where we put it on the offense to have to win the game. Thats why Kent Baer isnt here anymore.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Making sure you have the right head coach will always be more important than 1 good recruiting class. Hawkins' highly rated 2008 class didn't make him a better coach.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
If we don't think Mac is the right guy, but we keep him for fear of hiring someone worse, then we should shut the program down.You assume that CU knows how to hire a head coach. History suggest otherwise...
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Big Jim
WTF?
So your saying that MacIntyre is as good as gone then huh?
BlackNGold
Club Member
I am not going to buy the mentally tough argument. Go back to the Az game - up by 7 late in the 3rd qtr and give up 21 straight points - defense did not get a stop, offense did not move the ball, and special teams did not do anything special. I do not know how you measure mental toughness but I do think you can see it with team that bear down when the game is on the line.
Once again, it's all relative. Saying MM's teams are more mentally tough is relative to the teams coached by the previous regimes, not the rest of the conference or other teams around the nation.
That game if I remember correctly is the game that we were without any linebackers or safeties who had any business being on the field by the time zona made that 21 point run
Medford M.
Well-Known Member
Put me down in the camp that says MM has to stay if we have a top 25 caliber class, regardless of record.
He IS a good coach, and we've been on the cusp of winning a lot of big games with what I feel we believe is still middle to bottom level Pac 12 talent.
You have to give him the chance to see What happens with to tier talent. Firing him at that point breaks up the class and sets the program back a couple years.
Many on this board need to stop thinking a new coach is going to magically cure our ills in one year.
He IS a good coach, and we've been on the cusp of winning a lot of big games with what I feel we believe is still middle to bottom level Pac 12 talent.
You have to give him the chance to see What happens with to tier talent. Firing him at that point breaks up the class and sets the program back a couple years.
Many on this board need to stop thinking a new coach is going to magically cure our ills in one year.
Put me in the camp that says one way or another, I hope we have upgrades over Bernardi, Lindgren, and Jeffcoat.
You can always count on buffaloes to do the right thing, but only after they try everything else.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
And many on this board need to stop thinking a coaching change must result in the recruiting class being blown up and setting the program back.
I think he was talking about the look in the eyes of the players during the Embree and late Hawkins eras. No one seemed to care as the score ran away and away. We cant get the stops we need now but the team no longer looks like it quit before the 3rd quarter ended.
Usually it does. In the gap between coaches the players 2nd choice or whoever is on the cusp goes full court press to flip them. The higher the rating, the harder the press, and the easier to distract. Then the new coach is announced and the player doesnt like the "new offense" or whatever.
Were not going to get an obvious upgrade as MM replacement. Were going to get a G5 HC or were going to get an assistant thats never been a HC. The only real hope is that Leavitt is promoted.
Miami, you realize your argument has a shelf life, right? Plus you seem to be moving the goalposts on what constitutes an upgrade too. First it was "we cannot get Harbaugh or Meyer" and now it has morphed into we cannot possibly find anyone better than MacIntyre. Might as well give him a big contract extension now if that is the case.
BTW, why is this fanbase so frightened of hiring a coordinator? Seems really weird to me.
BTW, why is this fanbase so frightened of hiring a coordinator? Seems really weird to me.
It has a long shelf life because, until proven otherwise, its a fact of life at CU. Chuck Fairbanks was probably the most high profile HC hire CU ever made. Barnett is probably the next one and people were on the fence about him.
A "slam dunk" is those 4-5 coaches that make an immediate turnaround impact that have very little risk involved. That hire preserves your current class and probably improves it. That, I think, is the hire many here fantasize about thats probably never going to happen.
An "upgrade" is anyone that can turn in better results than Mike MacIntyre. Anyone that can consistently win 4 games or more can be considered an upgrade. But what if that persons ceiling is only 7 wins? Still an upgrade over the previous HC. But definitely not good enough for the folks around here.
So who is that upgrade? What current P5 coach is going to leave his current HC job for CU? Probably the ones on the lower end of the P5 conferences that have one or a few magical years and are paid less than we pay. The next option are the coaches that light it up in G5 like Hawkins and MacIntyre. Obviously there is a risk which we took and failed both times (so far). After that its promoting an assistant that was a head coach and failed somewhere. Or assistants that have never been a head coach (Neu, Embree).
I believe the fan base doesn't think CU will be able to get it right with an assistant because thats an even deeper level of vetting.
In my mind things are starting to look up with MM and thats why I tend to oppose firing him. Hes shown a pattern of correcting his initial mistakes. At the same time I fully acknowledge that he CAN NOT continue to turn in 3 win seasons.
Done it twice. McCartney and Neuheisel. The former is the greatest HC in the history of the program. The latter had 2 Top 10 finishes in 4 years and won 3 bowl games. I'd think that CU fans would be pretty open to hiring a coordinator.