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BuffsNYC

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CU doesn't have the budget for an above average assistant coaching staff or advanced recruiting/scouting staff, let alone being a "rehab" destination for failed head coaches.
I think the point was that you wouldn't have to pay him very much.
 

Duff Man

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A coach isn't going to pay attention to Travis, but their AD and fan base will and did
Not really. Fulmer was consolidating power behind the scenes to take over. He is not listening to Travis for any sort of advice. Only Clay Travis himself believes he has that much pull.
 

ahoelsken

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No. I don’t understand it at all. As far as I can tell, you want to hire Bobo just because he will be available. I don’t see the value he would bring.
I'm arguing for giving him an Alabama or Georgia type of Quality Control coach/analyst/consultant role if he gets fired from CSU. He's been a play caller for 20 years, and he's gameplanned for us for the last number of years. That could be valuable for us-especially if we're paying him $35-50k (what people in those roles make at Alabama and LSU). Not asking him to call plays, be an on the field coach, or recruit. This shouldn't be hard, and I don't think you understand what they do. Mike Stoops (who ran one of the worst defenses in the country his last couple years at Oklahoma) got one of these gigs at Alabama this past winter.

 

ahoelsken

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CU doesn't have the budget for an above average assistant coaching staff or advanced recruiting/scouting staff, let alone being a "rehab" destination for failed head coaches.
Not advocating that-but I do think this argument makes sense for Bobo-he's local, and he's got a young family (which he may not want to move). He's also going to make $5.5m between now and whenever his deal up there regardless of what he does. This gives him a chance to stay in the game assuming he wants to be a coordinator in a few years.
 

Not Sure

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I'm arguing for giving him an Alabama or Georgia type of Quality Control coach/analyst/consultant role if he gets fired from CSU. He's been a play caller for 20 years, and he's gameplanned for us for the last number of years. That could be valuable for us-especially if we're paying him $35-50k (what people in those roles make at Alabama and LSU). Not asking him to call plays, be an on the field coach, or recruit. This shouldn't be hard, and I don't think you understand what they do. Mike Stoops (who ran one of the worst defenses in the country his last couple years at Oklahoma) got one of these gigs at Alabama this past winter.

You keep saying he’s valuable, but I have yet to see any evidence of that. He’s cheap, yes. That’s where his value begins and ends as far as I can tell.
 

ahoelsken

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You keep saying he’s valuable, but I have yet to see any evidence of that. He’s cheap, yes. That’s where his value begins and ends as far as I can tell.
You're arguing with me for the sake of arguing. If you can't see the value in giving a guy with 20 years of experience as a playcaller and has coached against you for the last five years a support staffer role that would pay him no more than 70k if he gets fired at CSU and doesn't want to move his family, I can't help you.
 

Not Sure

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You're arguing with me for the sake of arguing. If you can't see the value in giving a guy with 20 years of experience as a playcaller and has coached against you for the last five years a support staffer role that would pay him no more than 70k if he gets fired at CSU and doesn't want to move his family, I can't help you.
You keep saying that, but you have yet to explain how any of that makes us better. He’s coached against us - badly. His play calling is meh. We have quality control guys already. You have yet to explain how his experience would add any value to our staff other than to say he’s cheap and would take the job because he wouldn’t have to move.
 

crosby87

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Talk that Harbie soured on coaching CFB after many of his players asked out of the bowl game last season....he is better for the NFL.

But who would Michigan hire if he bolted?
 

ahoelsken

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You keep saying that, but you have yet to explain how any of that makes us better. He’s coached against us - badly. His play calling is meh. We have quality control guys already. You have yet to explain how his experience would add any value to our staff other than to say he’s cheap and would take the job because he wouldn’t have to move.
Analysts don't recruit, call plays, or do any sort of on-field instruction-so I'm not sure how what I've bolded has anything do to with the debate you and I are having. They break down tape and help install gameplans. Paying a guy with 15 years of play-calling experience and 5 years of HC experience the kind of money Alabama, LSU, and Georgia do to do that is a no-brainer.
 
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Not Sure

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Analysts don't recruit, call plays, or do any sort of on-field instruction-so I'm not sure how what I've bolded has anything do to with the debate you and I are having. They break down tape and help install gameplans. Paying a guy with 20 years of play-calling experience and 5 years of HC experience the kind of money Alabama, LSU, and Georgia do to do that is a no-brainer.
So what is it about his coaching history that leads you to believe his gameplanning and tape-analysis is better than what we have now? You say he won’t be calling plays, and use the fact that he’s been calling plays for 20 years as a justification for hiring him. Whatever game plans he’s put into place previously have not been successful, but you want him to have a hand in putting together our game plans?
 

Not Sure

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Utah is now a better job than BYU.
To anybody outside of the LDS church, absolutely. I still think BYU is held in very high regard for LDS members. More so than Utah.

I don’t know how that translates to a coaching search. Maybe it doesn’t.
 

Duff Man

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To anybody outside of the LDS church, absolutely. I still think BYU is held in very high regard for LDS members. More so than Utah.

I don’t know how that translates to a coaching search. Maybe it doesn’t.
Utah has:
-Good facilities from the Olympics
-Decent stadium with one of the best home field advantages in the conference
-P5 conference affiliation
-Much bigger pool of players to recruit from
-Much bigger pool of coaches and assistants to hire from
-Avoid delusional expectations of the BYU fanbase

Not that BYU is a bad job, but it carried a lot more clout when recruiting was regionally based and in a time period where many coaches avoided recruiting Utah due to the mission factor. Players from Utah are signing anywhere and everywhere these days.

And finally, if Whittingham were to be hired by a Michigan type school, the last two coaches at Utah would have jumped to Florida and Michigan. Bronco Mendenhall got the Virginia job.
 

Not Sure

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Utah has:
-Good facilities from the Olympics
-Decent stadium with one of the best home field advantages in the conference
-P5 conference affiliation
-Much bigger pool of players to recruit from
-Much bigger pool of coaches and assistants to hire from
-Avoid delusional expectations of the BYU fanbase

Not that BYU is a bad job, but it carried a lot more clout when recruiting was regionally based and in a time period where many coaches avoided recruiting Utah due to the mission factor. Players from Utah are signing anywhere and everywhere these days.

And finally, if Whittingham were to be hired by a Michigan type school, the last two coaches at Utah would have jumped to Florida and Michigan. Bronco Mendenhall got the Virginia job.
I don’t disagree with anything you’re saying here.

I still think if you ask a group of 1,000 LDS members which is the better job, the majority would say BYU.
 

Uncle Luko

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Stanford is an enigma. Unlimited resources, nearly zero fan expectations, tough academic standards and ridiculously high cost of living. Shaw could go 6-6 every year and keep his job for 20 years so long as he manages to beat Cal every once in a while.

Is that a better job than Utah? I really don’t know. Maybe. You’re right that Shaw would never leave to go to Utah. I’m not convinced Shaw will ever leave.
I think Shaw might leave after this year, if somebody wants him. Probably be the NFL, he can't win a title at Nerd U.
 

DeNiro

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Talk that Harbie soured on coaching CFB after many of his players asked out of the bowl game last season....he is better for the NFL.

But who would Michigan hire if he bolted?
Didn't everyone say he soured on the NFL on the way out of San Fran and was a better fit in college because not all the millionaire players had the buy in he wanted.
 
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ahoelsken

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Didn't everyone say he soured on the NFL on the way out of San Fran and was a better for in college because not all the millionaire players had the buy in he wanted.
Harbaugh is a more vocal, better version of FHCMM-He's the kind of guy who can turn things around in a hurry for a football program, but his act is going to wear thin after 3-5 seasons because he talks so much and does so many things that are designed to get attention.
 

leftybuff

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While we are waiting for the carousel to take that first spin by casting off some poor unfortunate into the unemployment line of CFB coaches, I thought I might guess as to who will be in play this year:

1. Harbaugh- UM is a mess. Wiscy plowed them like a midwest corn field. That was ugly. He appears to be on a short leash. When tOSU dismantles them, it will likely be curtains for Jimbo.

2. Chris Ash- Rutgers. He was on the hot seat last year, not off to good start this year.

3. Charlie Strong- Severe downward trajectory. Embarrassed by a very good Wiscy team, lost to a middling GT team, again, not a good start for an embattled HC.

4. Derek Mason- Winning one out of three won't cut it...even at Vandy.

5. Clay Helton- Winning two out of three will not cut it in the land of Troy.

6. Matt Luke- Ole Miss always presumes their team should be more than it is, but even by reasonable standards, Luke is underachieving.

7. Mike Bobo- CSU may not be able to afford to let him go yet. When you look at his overall record, it isn't that bad by CSU standards. But the losses to the flagship, AFA, Boise and Wyoming weigh heavily.

Chad Morriss, Jeremy Pruitt, Chipster Kelly...there are several short timers off to bad starts, but I kind of doubt many of them will be in play unless a truly catastrophic disaster hits.

Michigan will be the big fish to watch this year IMO.
 

Not Sure

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Helton is safe at least until a new AD is hired. Firing a head coach before you hire a new AD is not a smart plan. If USC gets their AD in place by the end of the season, it will all depend on whether they beat UW. Win that game and Helton stays, IMO.
 

ahoelsken

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While we are waiting for the carousel to take that first spin by casting off some poor unfortunate into the unemployment line of CFB coaches, I thought I might guess as to who will be in play this year:

1. Harbaugh- UM is a mess. Wiscy plowed them like a midwest corn field. That was ugly. He appears to be on a short leash. When tOSU dismantles them, it will likely be curtains for Jimbo.

2. Chris Ash- Rutgers. He was on the hot seat last year, not off to good start this year.

3. Charlie Strong- Severe downward trajectory. Embarrassed by a very good Wiscy team, lost to a middling GT team, again, not a good start for an embattled HC.

4. Derek Mason- Winning one out of three won't cut it...even at Vandy.

5. Clay Helton- Winning two out of three will not cut it in the land of Troy.

6. Matt Luke- Ole Miss always presumes their team should be more than it is, but even by reasonable standards, Luke is underachieving.

7. Mike Bobo- CSU may not be able to afford to let him go yet. When you look at his overall record, it isn't that bad by CSU standards. But the losses to the flagship, AFA, Boise and Wyoming weigh heavily.

Chad Morriss, Jeremy Pruitt, Chipster Kelly...there are several short timers off to bad starts, but I kind of doubt many of them will be in play unless a truly catastrophic disaster hits.

Michigan will be the big fish to watch this year IMO.
I know he's got a fat buyout, but Willie Taggart ain't safe either. Of the three at the bottom-the SEC coaches are in much more trouble than Chipper is IMO (Chip would UCLA $9m if he moved on and UCLA would owe him $9m if they canned him. That'd put that at $21m in buyouts in two years. Tough pill to swallow for UCLA)-Arky and Tennessee both have lost games that teams in year 2 under a coach in the Power 5 definitely should not be. If UCLA loses the Toilet Bowl of the Century to the fighting rodents of Oregon State on October 5, this is a different conversation more than likely, but I think he's fine for now.
 

Duff Man

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While we are waiting for the carousel to take that first spin by casting off some poor unfortunate into the unemployment line of CFB coaches, I thought I might guess as to who will be in play this year:

1. Harbaugh- UM is a mess. Wiscy plowed them like a midwest corn field. That was ugly. He appears to be on a short leash. When tOSU dismantles them, it will likely be curtains for Jimbo.

2. Chris Ash- Rutgers. He was on the hot seat last year, not off to good start this year.

3. Charlie Strong- Severe downward trajectory. Embarrassed by a very good Wiscy team, lost to a middling GT team, again, not a good start for an embattled HC.

4. Derek Mason- Winning one out of three won't cut it...even at Vandy.

5. Clay Helton- Winning two out of three will not cut it in the land of Troy.

6. Matt Luke- Ole Miss always presumes their team should be more than it is, but even by reasonable standards, Luke is underachieving.

7. Mike Bobo- CSU may not be able to afford to let him go yet. When you look at his overall record, it isn't that bad by CSU standards. But the losses to the flagship, AFA, Boise and Wyoming weigh heavily.

Chad Morriss, Jeremy Pruitt, Chipster Kelly...there are several short timers off to bad starts, but I kind of doubt many of them will be in play unless a truly catastrophic disaster hits.

Michigan will be the big fish to watch this year IMO.
Fuente really needs to beat Duke on Friday night or things are going to heat up there.
 
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patebuff

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While we are waiting for the carousel to take that first spin by casting off some poor unfortunate into the unemployment line of CFB coaches, I thought I might guess as to who will be in play this year:

1. Harbaugh- UM is a mess. Wiscy plowed them like a midwest corn field. That was ugly. He appears to be on a short leash. When tOSU dismantles them, it will likely be curtains for Jimbo.

2. Chris Ash- Rutgers. He was on the hot seat last year, not off to good start this year.

3. Charlie Strong- Severe downward trajectory. Embarrassed by a very good Wiscy team, lost to a middling GT team, again, not a good start for an embattled HC.

4. Derek Mason- Winning one out of three won't cut it...even at Vandy.

5. Clay Helton- Winning two out of three will not cut it in the land of Troy.

6. Matt Luke- Ole Miss always presumes their team should be more than it is, but even by reasonable standards, Luke is underachieving.

7. Mike Bobo- CSU may not be able to afford to let him go yet. When you look at his overall record, it isn't that bad by CSU standards. But the losses to the flagship, AFA, Boise and Wyoming weigh heavily.

Chad Morriss, Jeremy Pruitt, Chipster Kelly...there are several short timers off to bad starts, but I kind of doubt many of them will be in play unless a truly catastrophic disaster hits.

Michigan will be the big fish to watch this year IMO.
Michigan is interesting to me. I am not sure I'd call them a mess right now, but their boosters and fans are tired of Harbaugh. He has time to turn it around this year, but they are still plagued by the same issues they always have. It sounds like the administration loves Harbaugh, so this could end up being a Tennessee debacle.
 

Alfred91

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I'm kinda confused as to the commentary that Bobo has coached poorly against us, at least offensively.

Bobo obviously isn't much of a recruiter, and he's total **** in hiring DCs, but his offenses have historically done pretty well against us. In 2016 they were hopelessly overmatched and in 2018 he wasn't all there for our game, but otherwise, offensively they punch above their weight pretty consistently against us and other schools. I would also point out that he's had some crappy luck with Hill for years now. That kid can play, but he's constantly hurt. Of course, the question is why he's had nothing decent behind Hill, but that goes back to recruiting, where he obviously blows.

I'm not necessarily endorsing ahoelsken's plan, but a situation where a) he's not in charge of recruiting and b) he's not in charge of the defensive side of the ball seems like the perfect spot for Mike Bobo.
 
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