did you see the Sugar bowl?
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Official 2023 Bowl Games Thread
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I turned it on for a few plays. It just seemed so slow and lesser skilled that it was kind of unwatchable coming over from UGA game.
No and I didn’t watch much of the AZ bowl either. CW commentators were dreadful
Yep
hawg1
Well-Known Member
To your delight I guess.
Kirby is one of a handful of guys in the sport who is influential enough to enact change in how college football operates, but nothing will change
Big Jim
WTF?
Only the NFL can fix it and they won’t as it doesn’t benefit the NFL to fix it.
Elaborate
Big Jim
WTF?
NFL can flex and influence college players to play in their bowl games, make sure that opting out hurts their draft grades. But that isn’t to the benefit of the NFL as a player risks injury in what is essentially a scrimmage. Injured players do not help NFL teams.
I’m not even really watching this ****. Man I used to love bowl season.
Medford M.
Well-Known Member
Shut up Kirby. No one cares. People like you be and all the other money grubbers made college football what it is.
Nothing is going to change, and nothing should change. There's no reason to play in these games.
Hell, there's no real reason for NFL prospects to play in the playoffs, frankly.
There is no way in hell that would ever work. The NFL tells players that it hurts their draft grades? Ok so Scout A is going to knock Caleb Williams down because he didn't play in the bowl game and then what? The Bears or Commanders are going to skip Caleb Williams now? l don't believe the scout would even knock his grade and I definitely know that teams wouldn't change their picks because of it.
There is no NFL team that is going to pass on a player and take one that would have been rated lower because the guy didn't play in a bowl or the playoff.
Currently the only advantage to the player is if it is a guy who is not at the top of the draft and has a big game to elevate him, almost certainly the risk of injury (or having a bad game exposing a weakness) is greater than having a game that moves a guy up.
If the league wanted to (and again they have no incentive to do this so won't) is to negotiate with the players association on the rookie salary scale so that those players who dress and participate get a little more on their deals and those who don't get less. Not going to happen.
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
Draft optouts will always be a thing, and I have no issue with Caleb Williams not playing in the Holiday Bowl for example.
The problem is the early signing period being for portal players. Having a bigger CFP will help, but we don't get games like the Orange Bowl today if you make the early signing day for high school only or get rid of it altogether. I would re-open the portal in early January......like say between the CFP quarters/semis.
I guess my feeling is that forcing players to play in meaningless exhibition games to fill corporate coffers and stroke fans' egos is a little ridiculous.
Expanding the playoff will help a lot, especially since it is the top teams that have the biggest problem with this in meaningless games for the simple fact that their keys players generally have more to lose.
Joe Tessitore and Jesse Palmer, since they had so much dead space to fill in that snooze fest, mentioned the insanity that takes place at the end of the regular season - early signing period, transfer portal, coaches being hired/fired. It distracts the hell out of a coaching staff too, when they're also trying to get ready for a bowl game.
I think everyone would appreciate a dead period after the regular season, but getting kids/coaches in before the start of the spring semester makes that unfeasible.
Expanding the playoff will help a lot, especially since it is the top teams that have the biggest problem with this in meaningless games for the simple fact that their keys players generally have more to lose.
Joe Tessitore and Jesse Palmer, since they had so much dead space to fill in that snooze fest, mentioned the insanity that takes place at the end of the regular season - early signing period, transfer portal, coaches being hired/fired. It distracts the hell out of a coaching staff too, when they're also trying to get ready for a bowl game.
I think everyone would appreciate a dead period after the regular season, but getting kids/coaches in before the start of the spring semester makes that unfeasible.
See my above post - unfeasible due to getting them in for the spring semester.
Medford M.
Well-Known Member
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
Gotta love academics being used selectively in college sports.
Like let's have kids playing games on the other side of the country.....but we can't work around an issue like this with the portal? For ****s sake.
hawg1
Well-Known Member
The portal forced numerous decisions (see UT QB). Change the date. A union and a collectively bargained contract has to happen soon to fix the many ills of the game, still ever popular. The frustration level is pretty high among some that can actually make a difference in these matters. Maybe they enact change.
You're not getting academic staff to make their winter break chaotic to do an accelerated transfer approval process condensed into Jan 2nd through the 10th or whatever it would be.
Maybe transfers just need to not be available for spring ball? Creates a little more incentive to stay with a program, gives players and coaches time to do a proper evaluation of roster evolution and who fits in where.
You don't need the entire admissions staff, just enough to handle football. We have professors and other university staff who pick up instruction of a winter break academic course (similar to Maymester). It's do-able.
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
We need a governing body in this sport for so many reasons.
Boring? Nah. Just won a bundle on the Pokes in a bowl game for the second straight year! Yeehaw!
This is actually a good point. Committee went “best” to leave FSU out, but “most deserving” to leave UGA out, IMO