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Official CU-Cal Pregame/Game Thread
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Fine, whatever. I think Cal is better than their record. We'll find out how they stack up Saturday. Better O, but worse D than CU, statistically. I highly doubt CU stays within 7 of Oregon, but again, we'll see.
Big Jim
WTF?
Cal has one win on the season, against D2 Sacramento State by the score of 42-30 or 12 points. Sacramento State lost to Northern Iowa 34-16 or 18 points. By your logic, Oregon would only beat Northern Iowa by one point. It's too bad UO and UNI don't play each other this season cuz I would make a bundle on that game.
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
Or the Michigan effect if we're speaking Fusker-ese-but yeah.
Big Jim
WTF?
Fair enough, this is the program that harbored and promoted a known woman beater coach under the current administration. I have no doubt Shenault's offenses are infinitely less offensive.
bigbang2
blindslighted
Running against 10 men in the box is intelligent?
Sorry, but college football is big business and college players are now able to make money off their NIL. The priority is not on teaching and raising men. These players are adults and the coaches are not their fathers.
This. The kid gloves are off now. It’s a business. We don’t have to like it (I don’t), but we better get used to it, and fast.
Cool story, bro. If this was D3.
serious question, does anyone have a link to the formal job description for the CU head football coach?
This discussion has me wondering if it says anything about graduating players, or being a leader, or teaching non-football skills.
the job description for women's' LaX coach has this:
This discussion has me wondering if it says anything about graduating players, or being a leader, or teaching non-football skills.
the job description for women's' LaX coach has this:
bigbang2
blindslighted
The question I need to ask you is When these players were been recruited and the coach went to talk to the parents of the players. Did the coach tell the paretns I am not his father, College football is big business. I will not teach him anything?
No, but as a father who went through it, I heard a lot of "we will provide the guidance, structure and resources for our young men to be successful, how they choose to use those things to excel on and off the field will be their responsibility." I heard A LOT more of, "Here's how and why we're are winning/are going to be winning."
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
Have we calculated Frost's record in the proper format? You know-wins, losses, and moral victories?
No coach is saying they won’t provide guidance or be there for support, but that is not the priority and any family who thinks it is or should be isn’t living in reality.
These kids are getting a free college degree and can now capitalize further monetarily, some in the 6 and 7 figure range, and transfer anywhere they want without penalty.
Coaches are recruiting these kids to win football games, not to be their father figures away from home. If that’s part of the recruiting sales pitch then so be it, but it is not a priority, nor should it be.
It’s division one football. It ain’t Big Brothers Big Sisters
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
Okay one quick thing before I respond to this-I expect this program to be in bowls most years, with the occasional really special year.......along the lines of 2001 or 2016. It is not that damn hard to win at the level I talked about in the last sentence while still doing things the right way-but CU has made it next to impossible over the last 15 years.
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
Here's the other thing to keep in mind, the HC at any program is spending almost zero one on one time with individual players. It's just not how it works. The majority of player interaction is with position coaches (60%) and even Grad Assistants (40%) who are typically only 4-5 years older than the players themselves.
If you recruit well consistently, you can afford to take some hard line stances on good players who break the rules, and still win 6-7 games/year. When you're recruiting sucks and you are averaging 8-10 ppg from your offense it makes it hard to self impose a half season suspension for one of your top playmakers and still expect to score points and win.
bigbang2
blindslighted
I always chuckled when my son's coaches gave their little "teach them life lessons" and "help them become men" speeches.
I sat there and listened. On occasion I would ask if they listened to themselves. I am his father, raised him and had been with him every day since, but now some sports coach is going to take credit for teaching him life lessons and finally, make him a man. It was all self serving BS.
Can a coach be a positive influence? Sure. For a kid who may come from a difficult family back ground? Again, yes. But for god sakes know your audience.
Sorry that is how I see it.
I sat there and listened. On occasion I would ask if they listened to themselves. I am his father, raised him and had been with him every day since, but now some sports coach is going to take credit for teaching him life lessons and finally, make him a man. It was all self serving BS.
Can a coach be a positive influence? Sure. For a kid who may come from a difficult family back ground? Again, yes. But for god sakes know your audience.
Sorry that is how I see it.
bigbang2
blindslighted
Sure, but a pitch that focus mostly on football been big business won't work for me. The pitch about been a father figure maybe self serving but it is mandatory for me. Will then do my research to see if practice what they preach. From what i am hearing. Parents like KD. He looks like a steady father figure.
How does it help the program if a very talented WR is actually on the field making plays instead of sitting out half the season for violating team rules? The answer seems obvious to me.
bigbang2
blindslighted
It sends a mesage to other players. No one is bigger than the team. You violate team rules you get suspended. You will have more discipline which translates to better play on the fieldd.
HighlandsBuff
Well-Known Member
Sac State is D1AA in the Big Sky, for whatever it's worth. There's no D2 football left in CA after Humboldt dropped their program few years back.
Sac State won last week in Missoula, and UM beat Washington in Seattle, so therefore they're better than UW
While I don't have high hopes for this one, it's the most winnable one left IMO... I haven't seen much out of the bears that has impressed me, but we have all seen CU play this year.
I'm sure parents like KD, but the parents of top recruits don't like him more than they like their son playing for a coach who will prep them for the NFL.
You can sit here all day and talk about how programs need to discipline these young men and mentor them and teach them life lessons, but that's not their job. Like it or not, these players are tools for winning games. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be punished for breaking team rules or shouldn't be able to go to coaches for guidance, but half a season is getting ridiculous